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12
Sep
2011
Prayer: The Ultimate Hypocrisy
If you ask your average Christian, they will tell you that prayer works.
Christians, as well as any other religion that engages in the practice of petitioning their god(s) with prayer, actually believe that their god alters the physical properties of the universe to specifically accommodate their request, regardless of how their petition might affect someone else. This has been brought to example many times by the comparison of the Christian who prays for sunshine to grace their weekend outdoor plans, but the farmer next door is praying for rain because even one more day without will ensure the destruction of his crops and leave him broke for the entire winter.
The fervent belief that many Christians have regarding the effectiveness of prayer comes about only by virtue of what their holy book says, and not on actual or statistical evidence. In the bible, the character portrayed as Jesus makes a number of promises on the topic of prayer. In the book of Matthew, Jesus is given credit for stating that whatever is asked for in “His name” will be granted. He promises that if one has a level of faith compared to the tiny mustard seed, they will be able to cast mountains into the sea. Not to mention the whole healing thing. The truth of the matter is that prayers get answered in the favor of the petitioner at about the same rate as doing nothing at all. In fact, double blind studies have shown that many sick people who know they are being prayed over actually fare worse due to performance anxiety. The convenient explanation that is used when these types of prayers are not answered, even when the situation being prayed over ends up getting worse, is that their god works in mysterious ways and those ways should not be questioned. We lowly human beings are not meant to understand the higher mind of god, you see.
It’s Not Always Physics
Then there are the prayers that do not require the bending and twisting of the natural world to accommodate a need. It’s not always a request a change in the weather, the avoidance of destruction by natural disaster or the eradication of some terminal illness. Having spent over a decade as a Pastor, I can tell you with great certainty that most prayer requests are quite simplistic and usually involve a need that can be met by either helping hands or an infusion of cash. A repair to a home or a vehicle is offered up, or school clothes for the kids, etc. When these needs are met, they are perceived as granted prayers. Mind you, I would be less skeptical if these needs were met without the petitioner notifying anyone. But, the reality is that these needs are not met because of divine intervention or providence, but because the prayer requests were made known to other humans. Through the camaraderie that surrounds their common belief, fellow believers are called into action. Donations are made, people show up with hammers and plywood or a box of clothing magically appears on a doorstep.
This is not god, people. I venture to say I would be less cynical about the whole process if it were genuine altruism. But it’s not. The same results occur when Atheists band together to help our fellow humans out. The only difference is that we are not trying to impress a god, or anyone else for that matter, and by virtue of the fact that we are not acting with the expectation of a reward in heaven or to avoid some sort of divine retribution, our actions are a true definition of altruism. But I digress…
When called into action to help out their fellow believers, the faithful will happily tell you something like “the hand of god touched their heart and moved them to action.” When confronted with the fact that unbelievers are equally generous, many Christians will respond with their belief that we are agents of Satan who, of course, masquerades as an angel. It is no secret that a vast majority of Christians believe that someone who does not have Jesus “living inside them” cannot commit true acts of kindness and selflessness, and that those of us who are professed atheists are immoral, unethical, selfish, baby-eating, Satan-worshiping cretins who would not know an act of kindness if it jumped up and bit us in our infidel butts.
Time For A Reality Check
No matter how loudly or how fervently prayers are offered, the petitioners are only talking to themselves. Hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, sinkholes and every other natural disaster, bar none, are in no way effected by the petition of prayer because there is nobody listening. In fact, it can even be questioned whether or not the event would even be referred to as a disaster without population. A hurricane over the ocean isn't a disaster, nor is a volcano erupting on an empty island. As well, people are “healed” through medical science, the natural (evolutionary) healing abilities of the human body, our desire for self-preservation and our emotional and psychological conditions.
Christians cling to prayer because if they suddenly acknowledged the evidence that surrounds its ineffectiveness, it would force them to acknowledge all of the other inconsistencies and contradictions that pellet their faith by the shotgun of reality.
The fact remains that people still die in third world countries of diseases that can be cured with a bottle of aspirin. They still die of starvation and thirst because of a lack in the availability of food or potable water. They are still murdered every day by tyrannical despots. Ethnic cleansing is still a reality. Slavery is still a reality. Human trafficking is still a reality. Honor killings are still commonplace. Child abuse and molestation are still rampant. When unbelievers point out the obvious lack of concern by their god, the inevitable doctrine of a "fallen world" and "free will" is tramped out. This is, of course, just another example of the “higher/mysterious” excuse for the obvious absence of the divine.
If The Blind Could Only See
Blind faith is what causes an individual to ignore the sheer abundance of statistical data that prove the utter ineffectiveness of prayer, either by itself with respect to the human condition, or in toto with reference to natural disasters. There is a scientific explanation for most of the “miraculous answers” to prayers, and what cannot be explained is simply just unknown and does not mean it is supernatural. It takes a huge contortion of logic to reconcile a “loving and just god who hears and answers prayers” with the millions of faithful believers who continue to endure unimaginable suffering every single day.
It takes an astounding level of ignorance to attribute the lack of alleviation of this human suffering to an explanation as mundane and enigmatic as it being outside "his will" or not being in accordance with “his plan." The whole "free will" explanation and the effect that the "fall of man" has on our world is equally asinine, as is the belief that afflictions and suffering are somehow the fault of the victim due to their insincerity or the existence of unrepentant sin.
Yet, countless numbers of people still cling to the belief that they are talking to god and that god hears them and is working things out "for the good of those who believe." They choose to remain ignorant to the psychology that explains those "feelings" that god is communicating with them. They believe that god guides them, denying the science of natural human intuition, which our species has developed through millions of years of evolution.
The Ultimate Hypocrisy
Time spent praying may offer comfort to the faithful because they believe their efforts are effective, be it for personal reasons or for the benefit of others. The truth is that prayer is a placebo, and a dangerous one when it involves the ignorance toward science and medicine. Prayer is a perfect example of doing something for oneself and calling it helping others. It’s the ultimate form of hypocrisy. This has been proven time and time again and will not change until people realize that two hands engaged in works are far more effective than two hands clasped in prayer.
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Al Stefanelli – Georgia State Director, American Atheists, Inc.
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"In fact, double blind studies have shown that many sick people who know they are being prayed over actually fare worse due to performance anxiety"
Amateur writing! Where's the study? Cite it.
Amateur writing? Really? Funny, I am a published author, writer and journalist. I think that qualifies me as a professional. As far as links go, Mr. Surfbum, allow me to use the Google for you, since it is apparent you don't know how to use a search engine. Here, here, here, here, here and here is the information you requested. This is from the first page of the search. You can continue on from there...
Thank you for the links, Mr. Stefanelli.
I'd like to pass these on to my "prophetess" sister, if you don't mind? (The fact that she calls herself a prophetess is ludicrous!)
Mr. Stefanelli
Are you claiming in this article that praying for a sunny day is harmful to the farmer who needs rain? Should we go door to door asking people if a sunny day is out of line to ask for?
Me, when I pray, it's for people who are suffering, or the souls of those who have died before their time.
You do understand what purgatory or limbo is, do you not?
Would you have me damn those souls to this fate because the farmer needs rain?
He was commenting on Christians who pray for conflicting things at the same time. Such as when two football teams play and the fans of team A pray for team A to win while the fans of team B pray for team B to win. They can't both win at the same time. Umm...I don't really see how you misinterpreted that or linked that to the souls in purgatory...but to each his own.
As for the purgatory and limbo concepts? He's an atheist? I don't want to put words in his mouth but he probably doesn't believe such places exist or that souls exist either. Oh, and God is supposedly all knowing, all powerful, and all good...So i'm not quite sure how people would "die before their time". If he was all knowing he knew when they would die and thus that would be there time. And if they died before their time that God had set, then he isn't really all powerful is he? Or all good for letting them die too early...Or maybe he's just not all knowing. Or incompetent...Or imaginary?
Raymond
If Mr. Stefanelli was commenting on Christians who pray as you describe it, he knows nothing about Christians or prayer and should keep his nose out of it.
But then, he didn't mean what you say, but he was talking to people like you, who don't pray, and don't understand why people do. So he kept it simple.
I did not misinterpret him, I understand why people pray, and it's not for a sunny day.
As for purgatory and limbo, so Mr. Stefanelli is an atheist, no kidding. I never said he should pray, I pointed out the real reason people do, and it has nothing to do with what he wrote. He makes the person who prays, a selfish person, and I point out that's not true. He says he spent over a decade as a Pastor, should I take from that, based on his words, that he spent over a decade as a liar? As an ex Pastor, he knows why people pray, he knows it's not for money or a sunny day.
And when I said "before their time" I was talking about the persons concept of their time, not God's.
What are you even talking about? You jumped from polling people about a sunny day to people being damned to purgatory. Maybe you do pray for people who are suffering, but you can't claim that everyone else that prays does it for the same reason. The whole sunny day thing was a METAPHOR genius. Most people I have heard pray do so for selfish reasons, for self-improvement, but I digress. The point of Mr. Stefanelli's article is that suffering still exists despite you praying to this all-powerful, omnibenevolent god to end all suffering. People say that god works for those who serve him, but people who serve god suffer and even die everyday. The logical conclusion is that your god is not all-powerful (the Bible itself will attest to that) or omnibenevolent. Did I use too many big words for you?
Yeah you did, especially omnibenevolent (you used it twice in one paragraph). I prefer the term "perfect goodness" but then, I'm a practicing Catholic not a Protestant dropout.
By the way, after 52 years of living, I have never once heard a person praying out side of mass, and even then, they never announce the reason for their prayer. How do you hear, not only people praying, but what they are praying for? We must live on different worlds, or perhaps you are one of the unfortunate congregants who attended the church where Mr. Stefanelli lived a lie as a Pastor for over a decade.
P.S.
People who say that God works for those who serve Him, don't understand the meaning of omnibenevolent.
Since was it amateur to not site obvious studies?
"The earth rotates around the sun."
Cite it! This is not a generally acknowledged fact. - Surfbum5412
If you plan on trolling an atheist blog, at least get some facts together.
It's not his fault! Wikipedia has trained us all to distrust anything without a small bracketed number after it.
Wikipedia can only train those who rely on wikipedia.
So whose fault is that?
But herderp
The obvious lack of intelligence in replies, such as yours, makes it so much fun.
I don't know any person who fails to acknowledge that the earth rotates around the sun, but then again, I don't know many atheists.
Here's a page with a small article on Christians who still believe the world is flat
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-adv-galileo-wrong-2...
Here's some pages with info on Christian beliefs that believes the world is flat
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm
Oh, and herpderp was obviously poking fun at Surfbum5412...though I suppose you can interpret what he said however you want. You tend to misinterpret really simple points quite often...
I don't bother with links supplied by people trying to prove their point.
If you gathered some irrefutable facts from these links, state them.
I'm not doing your homework for you.
P.S.
I was poking a little fun at herpderp.
Haha, I concede your points jmcg1213.
I'm an ex-Mormon turned atheist, and ever since I became convinced that the religion of my childhood was a fraud, I've never turned back.
Except once.
I had friends coming over for dinner one evening and I couldn't get the toilet unclogged. Try as I might, nothing would do the trick. The task at hand was too fierce for a plunger. I even unscrewed the shower head and blasted the sucker with hit water.
Nothing.
Then a thought came to me, straight from God: "Pray to me, thou lost son."
"Okay," I said. "I'll bite, God."
So I prayed to God and asked if to prove to me if he really did exist by inflicting my toilet, right here, right now.
I received the answer that I needed from God. "Use the plunger with more force, Peter."
So I did...
And it worked. I'll never forget that blessed sound of water and sewage being swept away.
But I'm still an atheist.
Thanks, God!
If you were an atheist, you would not have been able to hear his voice. once saved, your spirit has already been exposed to some of God's truth, rather you accept or reject it, it is still inside of your heart.
My folks were oince mormon, not really comittred but none th eless, they liked what it did for them until they both recieved Christ, it radcally changed their lives for the better.
He was being sarcastic, idiot
He was being an idiot, idiot.
David: Mormonism is a Christian faith. Meaning that Mormons already believe in Christ. A wacky, even more obviously made up than Christianity version of Christ, but still Christ.
this article is right on, although i would disagree with the statement, "The fact remains that people still die in third world countries of diseases that can be cured with a bottle of aspirin". as far as i know, aspirin doesn't cure anything. it is an anti inflammatory and decreases minor to moderate pain. myself, i take an 81 mg aspirin every day to help reduce my risk of heart attack or stroke; a practice more effective than all the prayers in the world.
But when you suffer a heart attack,
I bet you'll be praying you have some aspirin.
He'll probably have aspirin since he takes it daily...A rather mean-spirited comment from a Christian person...
Oh I forgot, your only supposed to love your christian neighbors right? That's how most interpret it anyways.
It wasn't mean-spirited, it was a joke.
It relied on irony for humor.
Don't you get it?
No because you failed to apply irony correctly. That wasn't ironic at all.
Madlib
Look up the various meanings of the word.
An atheist praying is your first clue.
Prayer doesn't even make sense in the context of current Christian theology.
1. God has a plan already planned out.
2. He will only give you what you ask for if it is part of that plan.
Conclusions: He's going to do whatever he wants regardless of what you ask for. If he knows you need something and giving it to you is part of the plan, he'll do so without you having to ask. The conclusion, of course, is that prayer is useless because it changes nothing. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that we have power over god, which is absurd.
What makes more sense is that prayer is capable of harnessing the power of the placebo effect at best.
What you clearlydo not understandis why god WANTS to use prayer to communicate with us mere mortals. He knows what lies ahead, and he alone knows what your purpose on earth he has for you. As such it was his idea to use prayer as a two way form of comunication. One in which his spirit communicates directly with your spirit.
So, either way, the communication technique is extememly effective. Effective, fervent prayers are prayers that actually do the most good, because they do not yield to circumstances that nature, other sentient beings and people use to disuade true beleivers from their course of ministry.
Wheter one beleives the truth or not about prayer does not, cannot and will not change the outcome to the unbeleiver.
But to the christian's and other's for whom prayer has WORKED like myself, it is a very special way of talking to the only being capable of influencing the outcome of any given situation, and making it work together for good.
I realize many atheists exist, just the fact that they do, makes us beleivers quite certain we are in touch with a powewr more amazing than anythying an athiest has. especially when radical experiences by milions of believers all point to the same one true God, who has chosen to reveal himself to us becasue we "beleived".
You are truly wasting your time here.
I know you think you are doing noble work for your god - or whatever - but you are only proving our point by everything you have just said.
You will not 'save' anybody here. We are 'saved' by reason and logic, and nothing else.
KD, you've completely missed the point of what I was trying to say. One need not communicate with god, he would know all your thoughts, desires and needs. He will do what he will do regardless of what you pray for because it's all planned out ahead of time. Even if god wanted to communicate with us despite the fact that it's unnecessary, it wouldn't change anything. You get to have that conversation, but god still does as god will do. The only thing prayer could do in such a context is make you feel better... but of course even whether or not you feel better would be part of god's plan. Let me lay out a few scenarios.
A basic prayer could be translated as thus: "god, I know you have a plan for everything. Regardless of what that plan is, I want x."
From that point there are a few options.
1. What you ask for is part of the plan and you get it.
2. What you ask for is not part of the plan and you don't get it.
3. What you ask for is not part of the plan and god changes his plan to accommodate you.
In both 1 and 2, your prayers are useless because it's all about god's plan. In 3, you have an immutable unchanging god changing his mind and altering the course of the universe just for you. Number 3 is obviously ridiculous. Why does theists not seem to ever get this one?
The fun part is that if prayer works, god must not have a plan, he must not be omnipotent, or he must be capable of changing his mind (which would negate the necessity of the sacrifice of Jesus). Interestingly, there's precedent for this in the bible. Right there in Genesis you've got a couple of stupid humans that don't even know right from wrong throwing a monkey wrench into all of god's plans.
This is one of the most excellent articles on the practices of believers I've read in a long time!
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for saying what I've been thinking for years!
Aren't you the same guy who, on another thread, tried for years to say what Al said, but couldn't?
Your not very good at making your own points, are you?
And weren't you the same person who posted
"Idiotic, ignorant, imbeciles? Many would say that about you.
No matter which side uses such terms, it’s of no help, it doesn’t further the discourse.
You can bad mouth the GOP, democrats and independents all you want, I won’t say a word."
And yet also called "whoknew42" an idiot on this page?
Though I suppose hypocrisy is a part of human nature. Oh and a big part of Christianity too...
No
Actually I called both whoknew42 and Peter idiots.
But what do you expect,whoknew42 called KingDavid an idiot first.
Peter just got caught in the cross fire.
Sorry Peter.
Lol, I concede your point once again jmcg1213. I chuckled quite a bit after reading your comment on peter.
You do make excellent points. I was rather bored and closed-minded towards humor and such while skimming through and commenting and I do apologize if my boredom caused me to be a bit mean-spirited.
In regards to your comments on prayer
I may not pray or believe in God but I can understand, at least somewhat, where you're coming from. Perhaps I've allowed myself to be a bit too influenced in my views on such things that I've started to view things too closed-mindedly. I should probably work on that before i get too set in my ways...
I'm aware that out in the world there are some christians and members of other faiths that pray for selfish reasons at times and that there are some that use prayer in rather extreme ways such as using prayer as a substitute for medicine or hard work. Personally, I view the selfish prayers as merely selfish and the prayers used as direct substitutes of medicine and hard work to be foolish and dangerous. Although I don't speak for Al, I think those were the prayers he was writing about. The kind of prayers that the members of the Christian science church use in regards to dealing with physical illnesses in place of vaccinations and medicine for example.
I do think that there are many in the world who pray for selfless reasons. Such prayers seem quite nice and I personally can find no fault in them. Since I don't pray myself, I view the selfless prayers as similar to wishing the best for others and hoping that their bad situations improve. Though I don't believe in a God, I can understand thinking about loved ones and friends who have passed away and somewhat understand the Christian concept of praying for souls in purgatory and Limbo.
Again I do apologize if a came off as being close-minded to humor and mean spirited. Need to remember its ok to laugh at self and others.
Thank you Raymond
I appreciate that.
Terrific, Al! Thank you, again, for saying what must be said.
-Bob K.
I so often hear believers claim prayer is a persons way of communicating with God and His way of communicating with people. I would like a believer to please state in clear terms what it is that God has actually told you personally in one of your prayer sessions. What did the allegedly all knowing, all merciful deity say to you so you can share it all with the world? Please be so kind to inform us nonbelievers what beautiful and powerful words were imparted on you. Much appreciated.
I haven't personally met any people who claim that God talks to them. I did however have a friend who came back from some trip to Europe with his church where he met someone who claimed God talked to them. It's worth noting that the person as my friend described him was a pretty odd and disturbed individual. It was while talking about this that my christian friend told me that in his honest opinion, "When you talk to God it's called prayer. When God talks to you its called Schizophrenia."
Raymond
That one has me laughing.
You seem to have lightened up, good, then you'll see the humor in many things that seem so serious.
I hope you don't mind, but I intend to steal that one, and give you no credit.
Raymond, that is too funny. I have met one person in my life who claimed God actually spoke to him. This person I know to be pretty sane. But when I asked him to share what God said, he told me it was personal and would not divulge. He will not even allow me to broach the topic any longer. Too bad for me I guess.
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