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16
Oct
2011
Right To Opinion: The Dishonest And Indefensible Response To Disagreement
A Philosophically Informed Perspective, by Justin Vacula
A common phrase that people frequently insert into discussions is “I have the right to my own opinion.” Any atheist who has engaged in discussion with a substantial amount of religious persons – or perhaps even a small amount of religious persons – have probably heard this phrase that is quite the non-starter. What does the phrase “I have a right to my own opinion” really mean, anyway? How should atheists respond to this claim and can 'right to opinion' establish knowledge?
A fundamental idea in philosophy is that a statement about something with truth value is either true or not true (this is called the law of the excluded middle). Joe may believe proposition x (the Christian god exists), for instance, and it is either the case that proposition x is true or not true. If Jane believes proposition y (all that exists is the natural world), we can see that both proposition x and proposition y can not both be true because we would arrive at a contradiction. If 'right to opinion' can work for Joe, why can't it work for Jane? If Joe believes it can work for anyone, we have a very problematic situation. A 'right to opinion,' then, can't justify beliefs because contradictions would follow.
When philosophers (and non-philosophers) talk about what is true, the topic at hand is typically “justified true belief” - what can be ascertained by an appraisal of reason, argument, and evidence that coheres with reality. If a proposition associated with truth value (“symphonic metal is the best music,” for example, is merely an opinion and doesn't fall into this category) is not backed by reason, argument, and evidence, stating “I have the right to my opinion” does not contribute to any progress in a discussion, lead persons to the truth, or really say anything other than “this is what I believe” and perhaps, curiously more...
When people tell me that they have a right to their own opinions, I ask them if they are concerned with the truth and/or holding justified true beliefs. The typical responses are usually “You can't know for sure that there is no God or if there is a god, so I just believe.” A popular, yet effective and humorous idea some entertain is called Last Thursdayism – the belief that we were created last Thursday with pre-programmed memories and holes in our socks among other things. We can't “know for sure” that Last Thursdayism is false, but we still go about our lives not believing Last Thursdayism for good reason. Regardless of whether we can “know for sure” about anything, we can look at the current evidence, argument, and reason that supports a position [or doesn't] and come to rational conclusions. The idea that “we can't know for sure” does not give us a reason to claim 'right to opinion' [or justify belief that a claim is true].
Not all 'opinions' are created equal. If you hold a belief, for instance, that evolution is false, you'll be met by tremendous amounts of evidence showing that your belief is unfounded if an evolutionary biologist (or another educated individual who is willing to discuss) happens to be sitting at your dinner table when you profess a belief in creationism. If, after some debate and tackling the fundamental falsehoods of creationism, a creationist happens to say “I have a right to my own opinion,” this says nothing about the truth-value of creationism and perhaps admits that the creationist is not concerned with truth. A proposition about reality is either backed by evidence, reason, and argument and it should be believed...or it is not.
Perhaps those who claim a 'right to opinion' just want to be left alone by atheists and believe that atheists shouldn't challenge religious ideas. The idea of 'live and let live,' though, is difficult to reconcile with the fact that beliefs inform actions, actions have the ability to help and harm others, and several dangerous and false beliefs are currently, for example, giving undue privileges to some religious sects that are not given to the secular in addition to dangerous and false beliefs resulting in discrimination, marginalization, stigmatization, and invisibility of many atheists...and that's just the 'tip of the iceberg.' Why ought respectful discussion be construed as a bad thing? I may be happy to 'live and let live' if various religious sects were happy to 'live and let live,' but this just isn't the case.
If a religious person were to get offended simply because of a respectful conversation and, after some discussion, claims 'right to opinion,' one wonders why this person would enter into a conversation in the first place or even hold the belief to begin with [I, at least, am not offended when people disagree with me]. Perhaps it is the case that people are genuinely offended by the mere presence of an atheist, but should this be the fault of the atheist or the other person? I wager that you know the answer and may suggest that a person like this may have personal issues, be immature, or is far too sensitive.
When faced with contradictory evidence for one's belief, the belief should be relinquished instead of claiming that one has “the right to an opinion.” We should care about holding justified true beliefs and take wondrous delight in challenging falsehoods when the situation calls for it. Respectful disagreement should not be considered as disrespect and discussion of ideas should be viewed as a chance to grow, understand, test one's own convictions, and much more – not character attacks on persons. Those who believe that their beliefs are coherent with reality should have nothing to fear from honest discussion (see my previous post titled “Equality for atheists in the marketplace of ideas) and actually should welcome discussion instead of hiding behind the 'right to opinion.'
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Justin Vacula, author and owner of justinvacula.com — a blog about atheism, theism, philosophy, and much more — is an active outspoken atheist in Northeastern Pennsylvania who is the co-organizer, spokesperson, and board member of the Northeastern Pennsylvania Freethought Society, a secular discussion and activist group of non-theists. Justin received a large amount of media attention in his 2009 church/state battle in Northeastern Pennsylvania and graduated from King’s College in Pennsylvania with degrees in Philosophy and Psychology in addition to receiving a distinguished award in Philosophy and a minor in Professional Writing. He regularly publishes articles for Examiner.com as the ‘Scranton Atheism Examiner’ in addition to authoring blog posts.
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Quote from Justin Vacula: "We can actually demonstrate that some “opinions” are more true than others…"
Really, you have a scale of truth? What are the units of this scale? With what instrument do you measure it?
All values are subjective and only exist in some person's mind. An apple can exist, but how much any individual person values that apple is completely subjective and dependent on each person's opinion, and will most likely continuously change over time. Explain how you measure that?
Reality exists independent of minds, but your observations and opinions of it do not. If a person loses their faith and belief, or if it is weakened, then you can possibly convince them to change their minds, but that is only because they have stopped believing first.
If a person does not have the right to the opinions in their own mind, then the only logical conclusion is that they do not have a right to their own body. If a person does not own their own body, then who does own it?
Geoih, you're either strawmanning or not understanding my post. I don't argue, by any means, that one lacks a 'legal right to opinion.' I am saying, rather, that the defense of 'right to opinion' to somehow provide justification for a belief is dishonest, evasive, and does nothing to establish truth value.
You're confusing values and truth-value here. When I mean truth-value, I mean the level to which a statement corresponds with reality. The statement, "Barack Obama is president of the United States" is a true statement that has truth-value. The statement "Joe Biden" is president is false; "Barack Obama is president" is more true than "Joe Biden is president."
To deny that some statements are more true than others or that the statement "We can actually demonstrate that someone opinions are more true than others" is false is utter absurdity. We can say that statements have truth-value and we can say that some statements are utterly false.
No, if I see an apple and you say "there is no apple," you're just wrong about the matter. We can reasonably talk about certain matters with degrees as confidence, some more than others.
I don't really know what you are arguing about here...or why. I believe you're not understanding what I'm writing about.
Quote from Justin Vacula: "You’re confusing values and truth-value here."
I understand just fine. You're trying to say something can be evaluated objectively when it can't. Sticking the word truth in front of the word value doesn't make it less subjective.
I'm sure I could find somebody who thinks that Barack Obama is not the President of the United States. We might all think that this person is irrational, but it doesn't change what he thinks, and reasoned arguing with this person may never change their opinion. An arbitrary concept such as truth-value will have no impact on somebody who has their own arbitrary concept that is different.
This article is WAY oversimplified and generic. In the end you have wasted a lot of space simply running around in a circle talking about what it means to have the right to an opinion, and haven't established clearly what is wrong with someone having their own opinion.
Everyone DOES have the right to their own opinion, and the right to come about it in whatever way they want. No, that doesn't make their opinion true, but they are entitled to be wrong all they want.
I find it somewhat funny that in the end you write for so long about opinion, but you have backed up your entire claim WITH opinion. Everything we believe is, in the end, opinion, based on varying degrees of evidence. Evidence doesn't make your argument MORE right, nor does it make it LESS right. After all, as you said yourself, the law of excluded middle applies here. To say, as you have, that some arguments are "more true," is a contradiction. I will agree that some arguments are closer to the truth, but I don't back this belief up with a contradiction as you have (the law of excluded middle).
Also you make the statement that opinion doesn't establish truth value, which I DO agree with (based wholly on my opinion and experience), I would just like to hear you apply that statement to itself. IF opinion doesn't establish truth value, then where is the overwhelming evidence in support of this claim?
I thought it established that quite well.
Where does it say otherwise, exactly?
See above.
Pot.kettle.black.
Zero vs. Gobs.
Really? Because that seems to work pretty well in a court of law.
You need to re-read this, because you have flat out contradicted yourself.
You really need to look up logical fallacies, because the claim that (uninformed) opinion is applicable is a play on the argument from numbers fallacy.
Numerical values are in fact not subjective. An apple can exist. It is one apple. If someone has an opinion that it is two apples, they are wrong. Whether they like apples or find comfort believing in apples or prefer oranges does not have any bearing on whether apples exist.
Since you're mixing your use of the word value, let's go with your values route as well. They can have an opinion on whether apples are good or bad, sure. If they base that opinion on facts, their opinion is going to have more external value than the person who just feels like apples are bad. That means, other people are going to value their opinion more. It's more valid, because it can be substantiated. An opinion based on ignorance, no matter how profoundly felt by the person holding it, has less value than an opinion formed through gathering empirical evidence and reason. It's really quite simple. So simple, even a simpleton, errmm, christian could understand it.
Daniel, I use an example to demonstrate that 'all opinions are not created equal.' If I have "an opinion" that evolution is true and you have "an opinion" that creationism is, obviously there is a problem. As I noted earlier in the post, 'right to opinion' as far as justification is concerned would lead to contradictions...so it doesn't work. Also, some "opinions" are simply more true than others.
I'm not positing, by any means, that "the theory of evolution as theism is to atheism is preposterous."
What's so pretentious and absurd about this post?
you must have argued with some stupid theists. the idea that creationism is to the theory of evolution as theism is to atheism is preposterous. this entire post is pretentious and absurd. ridiculously absurd.
Quote from Justin Vacula: "Not all ‘opinions‘ are created equal."
In your opinion.
People have a right to their own opinions because an opinion only exists in each person's mind. Nobody else has any rights to it except them.
Arguing logic and reason to a person who believes something through feelings or faith is a waste of time. Feelings and faith have nothing to do with logic or reason.
No, it's not my opinion. We can actually demonstrate that some "opinions" are more true than others...and truth value exists regardless of what people think about the truth value of the claims; reality exists independent of minds.
What do you mean when you say that people "have rights" to opinions because the opinions exist in their minds?
Arguing logic and reason to those who hold beliefs based on faith or feelings is not a waste of time. I used to be a Christian who believed because of faith and feelings... and so have many other atheists have, too.
The premise that everyone has a right to their opinion is fundamentally false.
To hold an opinion such as," I must kill all the infidels I see and not fail to act on my beliefs" is a clear example of a belief/opinion that society at large considers you to have no right to hold.
The fact that society can do little about your opinion until you act is a separate matter, nonetheless, society says with no ambiguity that you have no right to such opinions.
Further, it is the obligation of society to put in place the protections that save the citizenry from the implications of such opinions. We can do little about people with stupid opinions..... We arrest those with dangerous ones..... And rightly so..... Pun intended.
P.S. In anticipation of silly semantics...... an opinion requires one to opine..... An unexpressed opinion is a thought, not an opinion.
I agree, while people have a right to thier opinons, we as a society can actively reject those opinions if they cause harm to the majority. I feel that we have a responsiblity to consider what is socially just when forming moral/ethical opinions. I also agree with this article that an opinion without any evidence or examples to draw from is useless.
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