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Thanks for this update. I love knowing when to watch such programs as I rarely watch 24 hour news. I'm a newspaper kind of guy.

Hmmmm...bumped again...? We'll see...

phreedm:
Still slithering around I see.

Perhaps Paula does not want to offend the majority.

Just like Germany was a Nazi majority, some day this country will change just as Germany did.

Oh boy...what words of wisdom...

I'll bet she's glad she drove into the city...

Phreedm,
Guess who I am watching right now on CNN?

TX...I guess it was just the 3 of us watching...no wonder Paula's numbers are in the basement...

phreedm you know that the real issue between atheist/believers is what laws we live under.so explain why so many believers are afraid to vote atheist since i haven't heard any atheists advocate preventing christians from living a christian life.

Darn. Missed it. Does anyone know if there's some other way to watch it?

off-topic after Sen.John Mccain claimed baghad market safe local merchants say thats crazy.so much for the straight talk express.

Jesin...Ellen spoke for about 28 seconds...

Comment from: reason

so explain why so many believers are afraid to vote atheist since i haven't heard any atheists advocate preventing christians from living a christian life.

They aren't afraid...they don't trust atheists. Why? Because organizations like AA FORCE their views upon the majority of America...

Mount Soledad, Utah, Jacksonville and Starke, Fla...to name a few...

Are there good hardworking atheists? Of course. Unfortunately they let the ACLU and AA define who they are to the rest of America...

phreedm how can AA force it view on America, christian and jewsish judges are making these rulings.in these cases state and federal constitutions written by believers were clear about seperation of religion and gov't.they in no way infringe on the rights of christians to practice their faith.

sorry for the typos just be separation and jewish.

should be not just be the devil must have control of the keyboard.

Phreedm
Dude are you joking when you said that atheists force our views on America? We just want to live in a constitutionally adherent society where no one religion is favored or promoted by the government. Atheists are not the ones trying to get government endorsement of our beliefs. I have known some ignorant Christians in my time but your posts in here have redefined just how blind people can be when it comes to forcing their own views on everyone.

I see that CNN has a special on April 5th & 6th (or maybe 4th & 5th) entitled "What is a Christian?" All of us should send CNN an e-mail asking for equal time, "What is an atheist?"

Well, I sure hope they taped a segment on what Ellen was slated to talk about, cos that show tonight was just a waste of her time.

EOF...dude...you tell me why atheists aren't trusted...?

Have you fallen into the trap of believing that the ACLU and AA really care about Sep of Church and State? They are pimps using people like yourself, with real concerns, to steal from the taxpayers...why is it we only hear about the rulings of the case and not the financial awards granted to them...?

Have you ever looked at their financial reports? They certainly don't make that kind of money off of membership dues...

phreddy:

Have you fallen into the trap of believing that the ACLU and AA really care about Sep of Church and State? They are pimps using people like yourself, with real concerns, to steal from the taxpayers...why is it we only hear about the rulings of the case and not the financial awards granted to them...?

LMFAO! Dude, are you for real?!?!?
Red herring, poisoning the well, & a conspiracy whacko to boot!
You must've gotten your court jester hat back from the dry cleaners, 'cause you're in rare form, gramps.
It takes MONEY to get things done in this country.
Maybe we should discuss Kuo, NTM the ministers who run scams on the 'faithful'.
But I can guess your response: unless the palm the silver crosses is xtian, it's TAINTED!

phreedm
As a card carrying member of AA, I take exception to being called a pimp and a thief.

Well said, karen. I,too am a member of AA and I'm not a pimp or a thief.

reason

"off-topic after Sen.John Mccain claimed baghad market safe local merchants say thats crazy.so much for the straight talk express."

It's worse than that. Remember that Baghdad market visited on Sunday by Senator John McCain (two Blackhawk, two Apche helicopters and 100 US troop body guards) to show how calm things are? James Hider of the London Times writes, , "21 Shia market workers were ambushed, bound and shot dead north of the capital. The victims came from the Baghdad market visited the previous day by John McCain, the US presidential candidate, who said that an American security plan in the capital was starting to show signs of progress."

Does anybody have a guess as to what Phreeky Preedy is doing here? Is he deluded enough to think he is going to win a convert? Is here just to get in zingers (they are only zingers to him)? Is he here to torture us? Torture himself (they go for that sort of thing)? What?

I think he thinks it is his blog. He hijacks more topics than not. One can't say how many people he scares away, but out of the comments that do get made, he often accounts for the majority of them. I am of course including responses that feed the troll.

This post will have him preening for hours, if not days.

On the other hand, his frequent personality shifts make me wonder if more than one person is involved.

The religious conditioning of a person like this guy Phreedm is so complete that his irrational faith has effectivley immunized him against reason and logical argument. In my experiences with Christians and other religious people I have found that it is an exercise in utter futility to try to persuade with facts the indefensability of their belief system so now I rarely ever bother to waste my time on them. People who are self deluded by fear and existential angst will do anything to preserve their little shadow world including suspending all doubt in the face of contrary evidence.

Comment from: karen

As a card carrying member of AA, I take exception to being called a pimp and a thief.

Now Karen...reread my post. I clearly stated it was AA and the ACLU who pimp their members...

DD...highjack? You're a riot. Ellen spoke for 28 seconds. OK...why don't you run with her once setence...

EOF...I believe I posted about you in the last thread...

KA...ah yes. Slam the messenger. Don't answer the question. You can live in your deluded world but judging by your response I must have hit a nerve...why don't you post the awards granted to AA with some of these cases...? Show us exactly how expensive court cases are...

That is right Karen, phreedm did not call us pimps, just whores.

Get a load of this. The pope says we are plundering the 3rd world. That is exactly what the catholic church did. damn, get with reality.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-04-04T102557Z_01_L04223253_RTRUKOC_0_US-POPE-BOOK.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Phreedumb your really pushing it now !!!! Atheist force their views FUNNY STUFF there. Yeah it was us Atheist who wanted to put a CROSS on PUBLIC porperty ? ( who was forcing an issue there ? ) Yeah it was us Atheist who wanted the kids in school to pray but only to a christian god so all the rest of the kids who werent christians were left out. Seems to me you better look in the mirror before you pass on your wack job thoughts. Who is forcing who ? Funny how when we fight against something you see it as us forcing the issue but we are really trying to stop some religious org from forcing their views on the public. How would you like it if they Raised a Star of David on the highway ? or if kids can pray in school but only to the muslim god ? You would fight about it too because its not fair to the other kids who dont believe that way !!!!

Unfortunately, the propaganda being spread by phreedum is just the tip of the ice berg. The conservative religious are seriously barking this line about the ACLU making tons of money out of lawsuits against local governments and school boards. They are so successful that even a Supreme Court judge joked to a lawyer at an oral hearing whether he was willing to win his case if it meant loosing the attorney fees. If only this was true. Christians fight what they do not like by making death threats (Chocolate Jesus canceled after Catholic death threats against gallery). The ACLU and AA only threaten lawsuits and only win attorney fees if they win the case. Hey phreedum, if you want to stop the pimping of the ACLU and AA, all the conservative religious have to do is win the court cases. Unfortunately, they can't. They are usually wrong, wrong, wrong, and they loose even against Republican appointed judges.

Have you ever looked at their financial reports? They certainly don't make that kind of money off of membership dues...

Perhaps AA and the ACLU should resort to tithing to really send those financial reports off the charts?

Phreed-hem, did your mother have any children that lived?

Does anyone have any idea how much money was spent to "protect" the Mt. Soledad cross from being removed? Does anyone have any idea how much TAX money was used? After all, the city itself fought and fought and fought - AND LOST. After they lost they twisted and turned and played with laws - until they got their way. Sheesh!

Their government is in such GREAT shape that I'm sure it's ok for them to spend their dollars on that rather than spend them on actual human people. After all, those homeless people are homeless by their own fault, and jesus himself would have turned them away at the temple door because he was saving up his money for the REAL fight - saving the cross for all of mankind. I mean, just think of the impact that cross has!!!!!!

But the AA and ACLU are the evil ones, oh yes indeedy!

Their jesus would completely tear them to pieces for their actions over the past 500 years! Is THIS what he imagined for his faithful followers? Do you imagine he would embrace their religious leaders? Pat Robertson? James Dobson? George Bush? If so, they are more deluded than even WE think!

Just to make a point here...

I'm willing to bet real $ that not one atheist would support a fight by the ACLU or AA to remove TouchDown Jesus?

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/OHMONjesus.html

They haven't tried. And they won't try. Do you know why, dear christian?

It's on private land. Other than the tax breaks given to all religious organizations, it's not endorsed by the city. It belongs to the church. I say build all the giant jesus' you want. Just do it with YOUR money on YOUR land.

Phreedm,
Paula's numbers may be in the toilet because I don't want 20 minutes of babble on Pelosi going to Syria combined with 10 minutes of Bush being annoyed about it. That's 30 minutes to find out 3 minutes of info. Stop making dumb comments like only 3 of us were watching.

I willingly support AA and the ACLU. No one is forcing me to send money or write my elected officials. If there weren't violations they wouldn't be able to go to court and collect money for court decisions.
Pimping? Like Graham, Robertson, Falwell or Hinn do.

I served in the Navy, was stationed in San Diego and that cross is not up there for me. It's a violation of c/s and we both know it. There has not been an atheist movement denying you the right to believe, go to any church you want, start your own church or interpret the bible as you want so don't make such unfounded points.
No matter how we elaborate on our atheism someone will say we are handling incorrectly. Damned if we do and really damned if we don't say something.

Sad thing is that most xians believe the great liars on the pulpit when they spew that line, 'we are the most discriminated group in the world'.

Give me a freakin' break, phreedumb. I usually wouldn't resort to using that moniker on you, but now I feel like I am justified.

Are you afraid of opening your mind just a little to let a bit of reason seep in, or are you happy to have it in the dark ages?

Why do you think that people leave the church in droves?
Most of the time it is because of views and opinions like yours.
I apologize in feeding the troll, but I've really had enough of idiots like him/her.

Back on Topic:
Is the video of Ellen on YouTube or something else?

TXathiest:

It's a violation of c/s and we both know it.

I think you're maybe giving Phreedm a little too much credit.

As per his posts on this blog, he doesn't believe separation of church and state exists. He believes this is a Christian nation and should be run as such.

He believes, as Americans, we are free as long as we do what we are told by the Christian majority.

And to boot, he is exceptionally talented at hijacking a thread. :)

He believes this is a Christian nation and should be run as such.

I really wish this were a Christian Nation. That would mean that every church would sell all their land and buildings and meaningless junk like jewel encrusted crucifixes, etc. and feed the poor; provide shelter for the homeless; give love, warmth, shelter, food, education, and most of all provide health care for all the little babies in the world.

We would have had universal health care for the past fifty years or more. We wouldn't have fought in Korea, Vietnam, that lousy little island in the South Atlantic and Iraq x 2. We wouldn't have soldiers in almost every country and on every single continent in the world. We would have endorsed the treaty to eliminate land mines. We would have endorsed the Kyoto Protocols. We would have disbanded our nuclear armaments. And our state governments wouldn't have executed three times more children than the rest of the world combined. Christian? Where are there any Christians? I ain't seen any around here. If any of you find one, I'd appreciate hearing about it so I can ask them just what the hell makes them a Christian and when are they going to start acting like Christians.

Peter...you so crazy.

We all know that's not what Christianity is about.

It's about the pursuit of personal wealth — at all costs (didn't Jesus say so?). At least that's the way it appears here in America.

Churches don't pay taxes. Why not?

Special Privileges!
I really don't want to hear any more whining from so called "bleevers" about how much discrimination they endure! It's a load of crap.

An aside: Can you imagine what would be displayed on churches if jeebus had he existed and been hanged?; What all the good xians would be wearing as their "sign"?
A noose.

Churches don't pay taxes. Why not?

Because they are classified as “non-profit” organizations. Isn’t that funny?

I'm not sure how they came to be classified as such. I suppose it was an outcrop of the concept of separation of church and state?

Anyone know the specifics about this?

Oops - forgot the forward slash : (

Truthfully, they are all non-prophet organisations. Never were, never will be. Thus sayeth the atheist.

So, if Jesus, like Mohammed, is considered a prophet by Muslims, why aren't they complaining about His images appearing in Christian iconography.

Touchdown Jesus may be next on Al Queda's list.

"What all the good xians would be wearing as their "sign"?
A noose."

If only they had electric chairs then. What a lovely charm an electric chair would make.

Imagine if they had lethal injection.

Would've been interesting to see people with syringes around their necks.
We could've had giant syringes up on hill tops.
The needle could be one giant lightning rod...

Phreedm and the like of its kind....love to hijack science and common experiences to explain their righteous bigotry as goose-balls....I mean gospel......

My guess is phreedumbass has given up on trying to recite the bible here...

Atheism in this country will be the majority.....unfortunately its gonna take a few generations....

My question is how old is Phreedm?

;)

how about an electric chair (not original, heard it before.)

"They aren't afraid...they don't trust atheists. Why? Because organizations like AA FORCE their views upon the majority of America..."

Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

You guys are funny...but SO off topic! Ellen is not even in the archives from the Paula show transcripts. What was up with that?

OK...so if JC was executed in the Dark Ages, it would have been the rack or the guillotine. Lovely charm!

Have fun at the convention, ya'll. I will be there in spirit!

these tv shows main purpose is to entertain and make gobs of money.i have also noticed the rise of the gospel of prosperity hand in hand with the RR.is all this being fueled by the baby boomer generation.it looks like liberal and conservative are in a struggle over christianity.so what does that mean for us.what do you guys think.

Comment from: TXatheist

I willingly support AA and the ACLU. No one is forcing me to send money or write my elected officials.

That's right. No one is forcing you to send your money...but the ACLU and AA FORCE every small community (because they don't have the resources to defend themselves) to bend to their radical views. Huge difference...

ACLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign

$156,960 = Nebraska

The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.

$790,000 = San Diego

The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a �morally straight�

$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.)

The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.

$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court

The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.

$121,500 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.

$277,000 = Kentucky

The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.

$299,500 = Kentucky

In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.

$50,000 = Tennessee

A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.

$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)

The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing p0rnography filters on public library computers.

$175,000 = Alabama

Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.

$63,000 = California

Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.

$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)

The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.

$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)

The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child�s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.

$135,000 = Cobb County (Ga.)

The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, �Evolution is a theory, not a fact.�

$75,000 = Pasco (Wash.)

The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.

$52,000 = Seattle (Wash.)

Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU � for defending a student�s �right� to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies � sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Vlagra commercials.

$6,000,000 = American taxpayers

The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court�s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.

$18,000 = London (Ohio)

After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.

$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)

Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.

$111,000 = Operation Rescue

Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.

$230,000 = San Diego (California)

San Diego residents were forced to pay $230,000 in legal costs in an effort to defend the Mount Soledad Cross (a memorial to the Korean War) from an ACLU lawsuit. The Korean War Memorial had been established in 1952.

Yeah...like I said....pimps

phreedm these were christian and jewish judges handing down these rulings.if state and local leaders would read state/federal constitutions this could be avoided.be careful what you ask for or you will see children being exposed to every hairbrained cult that comes along.this may be hard for you to believe but there is alot worse out there then us nonbelievers.

Phreeky has rightfully pointed out that with a mere ten million dollars the ACLU has been very effective. Just think what they could do with a Jim and Tammy Fay size purse. Give generously!

On the other hand, the too-numerous-to-count xtian orgs are by comparison (bang for buck) very ineffective. So the xtians are either incredibly incompetent (role model GWB) or just plain stupid (aspiring Bart Simpsons). Most likely it's both (axis of doooh).

I watched it, more about racism in church than anything. She mentioned it is time for blacks to get over it and get off their knees and stop worshipping a white god (jesus).

Sorry, by getting over it, I mean slavery.

What a stupid comment that atheists try to push their views on theists. If there was no religion, there would be no atheists, but if there was no atheists, you can bet your life that there would still be theists.

What:On the other hand, the too-numerous-to-count xtian orgs are by comparison (bang for buck) very ineffective. So the xtians are either incredibly incompetent (role model GWB) or just plain stupid (aspiring Bart Simpsons). Most likely it's both (axis of doooh). Nice.


Everyone forgot my favorite! DOVER, PA. That cost the residents $1 million, all because a handful of incompetent creationist mental defects managed to get onto the school board.
Who decided the case & awarded the compensation? A GWB appointed Republican.

Creationists (who phred loves) screwed the school curricula, and were punished by a conservative judge (who phred loves).

But it's all the ACLU's fault.

Oh sweet irony.

Somebody's a sore loser.

there have to be consequences for violatings state and federal constitutions

would you rather that they threw the errant lawmakers in the slammer phreedm? even if they just fined them, their pay comes out of the pockets of the community.

think of the legal fees as a little slap-on-the-wrist to remind these small communities to reign in their policy-makers.

Phreedm,
The ACLU was Constitutionally correct in all your examples except maybe the first kentucky case and Nebraska case. Don't violate civil rights or the c/s issue and they won't have to bring a suit that a member of that community wanted. You not understanding these violations doesn't make the ACLU wrong.

Very Interesting, indeed.

Guess where the ACLU information comes from?

http://www.stoptheaclu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=31


The following information was taken from the web site of the Center for Reclaiming America, an arm of Coral Ridge Ministries in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. And at the bottom of the page is a sample of a letter you can use to write newspaper editors to publish regarding the ACLU's legalized theft of your tax dollars.

Word. For. Word.

Apparently, the supporters are unable to compose their own letters to editors, too! Or do they just need to be told what they think?

BTW, "The ACLU is Evil", an article on the site noted above, it quite the read. I got a hearty laugh from it!

Phreedm...

Are you some kind of idiot?
How does the AA "force its beliefs" on America?

You're an idiot.

You have a lot to learn, but you seem to stupid. I think we've had discussions before.. you're a "hit and run" theist. You don't think.

Mushukyou
"You don't think" is the short definition of a Christian.

phreedm is not stupid he is working for what he believes in.we can't change religious right view of us if we don't talk to people in the religious right.be patient this is a long road we are on.

reason: "working for what he believes in"? Are we really expected to give a rats crap? Who cares? Also, who ISN'T working for what we believe? Why do you give so much credit and leverage to the likes of that contrary, argumentative, and rude self-appointed upstart? "be patient this is a long road"? Why not speak for yourself, reason, and realize that after 2 millenia of the damned crap some of us have had more than enough no matter what ANYBODY wants to debate, claim, excuse, or damned add to the bullshit. "we can't change the religious right"..Well again who give a contemplated damned crap. They are not only welcome to be that damned stupid but they may also go to their damned hell of THEIR making! If you object, you and anyone else who wants to cowtow and kiss their damned asses can join them!

phreedm is not stupid

I will have to disagree with you here reason. New people (and I was once one) always begin by engaging him in debate only to discover that he is devoid of anything approaching logic or reason. They are shocked by the egregious nonsense he offers, yet they are drawn to to him as one is to a bad accident.

There exists a hope that no-one could be as dense and as thick, and still be a member of the human family. I have attempted to stay away but sometimes I just can't stop myself. (Bad remy.)

The fact that he is able to return after some of the horrible epithets addressed to him is truly amazing. It only serves to solidify the opinion that he is, as they say, dumb as a post. I remain of the opinion that he ought not to be fed and fervently wish that he would go to "a better place".

Then again, he does serve as a bench mark with which to measure one's patience. Before him, I would never have guessed that such inanity was remotely possible. And, he does make most who encounter him feel superior. I dunno, maybe he's good for atheists? eeeeewwwwhh

oops! KA?

Fixed it remy.

Time to Stand

"What a stupid comment that atheists try to push their views on theists. If there was no religion, there would be no atheists, but if there was no atheists, you can bet your life that there would still be theists."

Simple, factual ... beautiful.

a shucks i missed it.

Mxracer652

"Creationists (who phred loves) screwed the school curricula, and were punished by a conservative judge (who phred loves)."

Have you ever seen someone grab anothers wrist and start hitting the owner of the wrist with their own hand all the while saying "Why are you hitting yourslef?".
It's kind'a like that.

BTW, what is the 652 at the end of your moniker about?

remy: I agree with what you said but can't stop laughing. "dumb as a post" was good..(actually I'd thought dumber than a box of rocks but I liked your "post" even better) "bad accident" and "egregious nonsense" were a good way to put it also. But what you said last was best.."eeeeewwwwhh" "bench mark with which to measure one's patience" and "good for atheists" I have to differ with however. Those seem not only to stretch us out of whack but come across as both cruel and brutal expectations. For me "no can do" and not about to.

Comment from: What

"What a stupid comment that atheists try to push their views on theists.

And speaking of stupid comments...

You want proof of atheists pushing their views on American institutions?

Boy Scouts defeat ACLU

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55062

Yeah, an American institution. It's been around for 100 years. So now exactly who is trying to subvert American culture...?

For all of you who support the ACLU and AA...why not ask for a complete disclosure of their finances? Such as salaries paid out to their officers?

I'll bet you don't invest with the same naivete...

Fixed it remy.

Thanks KA.

hominid,
I think perhaps there should be stages of phreddy as there are stages of grief; denial, acceptance etc.

1. Incredulity
2. Flabergastitry
3. HUH?
4. Utter frustration
5. RUFKM
6. Am I awake?
7. Man, that's just sad.
8. Gnaaaawwww
9. LMAO
10. acceptance

The Boy Scouts....Religious indoctrination in disguise.....Religious Bullshitters hijacking the idea of a good boy walking granny across the street...isnt that nice

F Phreedumbasshole and the boy scouts organization

F you Charlie:
I am an Eagle Scout and out of 7 years in the scouts, only once was any xtianity pushed on me, which of course, I shoved back. Before you condem the entire BSO, perhaps you should get your facts straight. My god is the FSM and NOWHERE does it say you have to be xtian.

Oh and so you don't feel left out:
F Phreedumbasshole also.

homind you are an idealist.i am not it does not bother me to pretend to be christian and order to enjoy the benefits of living in a christian majority land.i'm not the only one.why would i not be nice to phreedm he is willing to obey the rules and teachings that atheists like me make.yeah we are trying to get believers to treat open atheists better but we don't have to.stop being so pure join us and enjoy life.

DeepDiver,
But doesn't the BSA say you must swear in to a god?

p.s. I just got a solicition from VFW to join again and the secular oath of commitment was in there. That just changed a couple of years ago.

reason;
By pretending to be a xtian in order to "fit in", you become the worst example of an agnostic/atheist (take your pick).

A Hypocrite!

And, by the way, what exactly are these "rules and teachings that atheists like me make"?(the words in quotation marks were yours)

I never needed any rules or teachings to come to the conclusion that religion was bullshit from the age of 5 yrs. old.
The only segment of the population that needs rules and teachings are the theists that are incapable of using their own brain to think for themselves.

When people have to turn to a book of mythology in order to find out what they're supposed to think, they are no longer thinking for themselves, but for their masters.

I am my own master. I will not be a slave to another's craving for power.

You have the power to think for yourself!; to stand up for what YOU believe (or don't believe).

Get out of the closet. If every atheist did, you would see that you are not alone.

C'mon regulars here! Are we men/women or mice? A little discipline in skipping over all posts by phreedm and all posts responding to them will go a long way to getting rid of him. I shouldn't think it would be that hard. New members can get the message pretty easily just by noticing how all the regulars skip all of it. Gird your loins and go to work on this! Don't even talk about him to each other (not even about this idea). Just a suggestion, of course.

TXatheist

"A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others."

Which god? The key point here is (to me) is "He respects the beliefs of others"

I did not believe in a "God" but believed in mother nature, so I was respectful to all of nature. Did not cut down trees needlessly, did not kill animals needlessly (well except fish, never kill anything for that matter) and I think you get the idea. I respected others no matter what they believed as long as it did not hurt others.

So basically, whatever your belief is, the law just states that you should be respectfull to it and honor it.

I can honestly say, I showed much more respect to nature than xtians did to their god.

tomath,

Don't even talk about him to each other (not even about this idea). Just a suggestion, of course

Point taken. Will do my utmost. May I have permission to call you to the carpet when you succumb?

By the by, if he returns he will have proven that there is No god.

phreddy: Now, if the children can't show respect during a discussion then I'm done.

remy: If this is true, then, there IS a god.

Comment from: 666 [Member]

I am my own master.

At least here we have an honest admission...this is precisely what atheism teaches...

There's no God then.

Comment from: tomath

C'mon regulars here! Are we men/women or mice? A little discipline in skipping over all posts by phreedm and all posts responding to them will go a long way to getting rid of him.

We'll definately have a problem here...

Comment from: 666 [Member]

I am my own master.

HALLALULIA! He's back! There is NO god.

remy;
LMAO!

I would say the petard[*1](which in French can be translated as either a [*1]farter or [*2]as a firecracker) has been hoist by his own petard[*2]

I can only guess that when one decides they would rather be another's slave, they also give up the ability to make any other well thought acts/statements.

DeepDiver....


Im sorry I seem abrasive.....I only have a problem with the Oath Stuff....somthing about God or crap shit.....

The Boy Scout oath pisses me off.....

I have no room for that in a good boy club.....

piece

Thanks, Camp Quest seems to be taking off pretty well even here in Texas. If my son gets interested I'll take him.

tomath,
Your point has been noted. :)

The reason why I find atheism so liberating is that we are indeed our own masters and do not defer to an imaginary authoritarian father figure like the followers of the Abrahamic faiths do. This does not mean that I am an anarchist or do not respect secular authority but I am the sort of person who does not need a strong authority figure in my life in order to make decisions or know right from wrong. Faith stops so many people who are otherwise intelligent in all other aspects of their lives from being able to think things through reasonably on many topics that are at odds with their perception of what their particuluar faith demands of them.

Remy: You can equate me with Archie Bunker if it makes you feel better. I think all folks are entitled to their point of view. Was there any doubt we all had one? Believe it or not I have read Phreddys posts and try and hear everyone out. Phreddy even agreed with me once as I recall on a thread about the Dark Ages. Ok I guess I can cut some slack but definately not much. I'd like to see some respect from Phreddy too and in such an event would be more than willing to reciprocate. I don't really think Phreddy is stupid either overall. The saying where there is life there is hope does not belong to the Christian community and I guess holds true enough for anybody. Now I can be a sport and can give a little. Now can and will Phreddy et al? Before I forget Happy Easter to all! Whether or not you are in for the bunnies (as me) or whatever. Also, I took deep resentment with Pheddy on his remarks on FDR in particular. I'll bet Pheddy couldn't achieve what FDR did even with two legs to stand on or in multiples times over of four years. Also I had no use for Reagan although even I after so long will let it go enough to respect at least the dead and gone. Did you know that Reagan hated (and in my view) was jealous of JFK? And I think I can guess why since Reagan couldn't really hold a candle to a Kennedy! Reagan made the rude, stupid, and untrue crack that under JFK's curly locks lured the same old Karl Marx. Did you or Phreddy know that Reagan said something so damned childish, ridiculous, and utterly stupid? JFK's tenure fought the spread of Marxism (ie Cuba) and sought to curb via his attorney (RFK) general underworld crime just in case the likes of some of you would-be authyorities have forgetten already. So anytime Phreddy and you are ready to grow up big boy style and show respect and quit the childish mud slinging and name calling (including amongst us gays) you may count me in for at least listening to you. Please don't think I necessarily like to get down and dirty or into a bitch fight. Nonetheless, don't make the mistake of kidding yourself into believing that I'm above it or won't get into it while I damned mean business. One more thing, I was always an idealist and remain so whether the notion was ever practical or not.

Typo: y in authorities (sorry)

homonid

Huh? What the hell are you talking about?

Remy

"I think perhaps there should be stages of phreddy as there are stages of grief; denial, acceptance etc."

How about the last step: Doooh!

Remy: My post was intended for Reason and not you (sorry) What I wrote had to do with what reason wrote and what I've picked up from Phreddy in more than one post.
Reason: "join us and enjoy life"? Now who were you and your pal Phreddy suggesting are the pimps?

"I never needed any rules or teachings to come to the conclusion that religion was bullshit from the age of 5 yrs. old."

666, Ditto! 5 was the age of enlightenment for me too. May I ask, are you male of female? I only ask because what sparked my enlightenment was the fact that, as a little girl slouching in the pews, I first noticed how girls were excluded from the lists of "begats".
"Were were all the daughters?" I pondered this question relentelessly.

Then, still at the tender age of 5, I realized that the women in the bibble were either slaves, stupid, treacherous, or virgins giving birth, totally misaligned with the women in my life, and, most important, totally unrealistic, not even sci-fi material.

At age 28 I learned the meaning of the word "concubine" and all my childhood distrust of the bibble came full circle.

Perhaps the sad part is that it took 12 more years to finally find the courage to proclaim, "I am an athiest!" I thank nogodblog and it's regular contributers for demonstrating to me that being an atheist is as natural as spring rain (or snow depending on where you live).

Comment from: alexatheist

Faith stops so many people who are otherwise intelligent in all other aspects of their lives from being able to think things through reasonably on many topics that are at odds with their perception of what their particuluar faith demands of them.

Now how would you know this...? Please provide an example of how faith stops them from being able to thing things through reasonably...?

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Educate thyselves:)

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Comment from: cry4turtles

Then, still at the tender age of 5, I realized that the women in the bibble were either slaves, stupid, treacherous, or virgins giving birth, totally misaligned with the women in my life, and, most important, totally unrealistic, not even sci-fi material.

Ruth, Abigail, Esther, Priscilla to name a few.... This is a common argument which really shows one's lack of true knowledge of the bible.

Many of the historical books of the bible are merely recording what life was like at that time in history...you can go to the same area of the world today and see similar social structures...

Please provide an example of how faith stops them from being able to think things through reasonably.?

Just look in the mirror.

hominid,
Understood. Sorry for my outburst.

remy: It's me who needs to be sorry (and also pass up that last glass of cabernet before attempting heavy duty thinking or typing) Thank-you for being understanding with someone who needs to pay better attention!
cry4turtles: It has been taking me awhile to fess up to what seems impossible, overwhelming, and wrong for me too. I don't think any of us are concubines anymore than bunny rabbits and just look what they do. But for some odd reason unlike bunnies we masters of the universe are expected to run for cover, take precautions, and feel shame of our nakedness. I thank this Nogod blog site too for an open forum to vent and learn about our varying viewpoints here. As for that "natural as spring" Did you happen to catch Decoding the Exodus? (I think that was the title) Anywho, according to that program the likely site for our elusive Mt Sinai had trace evidence of an ancient water spring which despite those who would argue otherwise was the scene of a most "natural" event..(ie every bit as "natural as spring rain")

Do any of you ever read or post over on CBN's discussion boards? It'a a great source of an easy laugh.

and let there be phreedy....and it was so.....then god took a rib from phreedy and made a women for him....how nice for women....

cry4turtles;
It was literally the first time I was taken to "sunday school" (denomination unknown but, could have been catholic since I was living in Rome at the time) and was being told stories about another god guy. I asked the question/made a statement "so, it's make-believe then". And since you asked, I'm a guy.
Of course when you're a kid, you don't have much choice about whether or not you'll be attending church, so I got dragged along until I struck out on my own after coming to the States at 17. I was "raised" throughout Europe, the Mid-East, and Africa. That gave me plenty of opportunities to explore a great variety of different religions.

I never came to understand how people could invest so much in such a fantasy unless they turned off their brain and allowed someone else to tell them what to think.

Think Jim Jones and kool-aid.

what:

BTW, what is the 652 at the end of your moniker about?

I've been racing motocross for over a decade now, which was just about the same time the interwebs showed up in my house. The local sanctioning body is the American Motorcyclists Assn, and they issue a 6 digit member ID, of which the last 3 are supposed to be your racing # (so no two riders in the same class have the same #). My last 3 are 652.

Hence the chick magnet net handle mxracer652. It's juvenile, but I'm too lazy to change.

...And since nobody cares, the bkj110 was the email ID issued to me by Penn State.

No creativity.

Charlie: that was tooooo goood! All I can say for those women is that they certainly have their hands full and as so I've been told "have broad shoulders and can take it" Then they wonder why I don't want a sex change.
666: "Of course when you're a kid, you don't have much choice about whether or not you'll be attending church" Now that should be written in stone too I think. I was sent to a hell, fire, and brimstone local church as a kiddo. I guess maybie that's where I started getting my fill of it all. They used to just scream and carry on. Then if I recall their faces would shake and become beet red while they would wave their bibles at you, quiver, and make threats. I thought all hell was breaking out. I did try and be a good boy back then. Who in their right minds wouldn't? Later on when I contemplated escape I started noticing how those places were either on as many corners as filling stations or their new construction sites had nearly been completed. Since escape seemed impossible I tried checking out some different kinds anyway. What an education that turned out to be!

Ps: I didn't think that Jim Jones/Kool-aid stunt was none too cool.

"Please provide an example of how faith stops them from being able to thing things through reasonably...?"

After I give you a list as long as your arm will you promise to throw yourself in front of a train? If not then bugger off!

mxracer

It thought as much. Be safe! Always, always where a helmut. My life was saved by one.

phreedm,
"That's right. No one is forcing you to send your money...but the ACLU and AA FORCE every small community (because they don't have the resources to defend themselves) to bend to their radical views. Huge difference..."

You do realize that it is the judge in these cases that decides how much money should be paid, right? So if you want to bitch, then bitch about the judges. Also, you clearly know nothing about the justice system. It takes money to fight cases,