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Yep....imagine a country where abortion is illegal, but you can stone unruly children to death.

I agree with you Peter. Plane and simple: inquisition.

a country where the only people with any rights at all will be white, god-fearing, men and fetuses

One nation under god.....IRAN!

The control of religion by the state and vice versa was the entire reason we left England. It is the very reason the founders made the laws pretty clear on not mixing the two. Some of the founders were christians, and most of them saw those laws in their best interest. It is sad that so many Americans see this as a threat.

I think we should enact a few of the lesser known laws in the bible as law first, just to let the zealots get a little taste. I will provide a short list off the top of my head.

1. A death sentence without trial for eating shellfish of any type.

2. A death sentence without trial for anyone who wears a cloth made of two kinds of thread. This includes cotton polyester blends. The employees of fast food restaurants should be rounded up quickly.

3. If anyone in any town or city is thought to worship any heresy, the entire town or city should be burned, and all put to death. NO trials, the accusation alone is proof enough!

4. As stated above every disobedient child should be stoned and the entire community(minus the women, but including the father) should be active participants.

5. Those who touch the flesh of a pig, DIE, Period, no trial, end of story.

And before a believer says that Jesus changed all that, READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. Jesus stated that not a letter of the old laws are changed. I do not know the verse, look it up yourselves. I will not do your work for you. You believe the crap, you look it up.

Off Topic, but . . .

Help me out here. Did any other idiot besides me watch the Republican questioning last night? Quite frankly, I felt like I should shower after it was over--all that bible, anti-abortion talk was too much to take.

But, when Mitt Romney was asked if he believed everything in the Bible, the xian bible, he said he believed in "The Bible." I didn't think Mormons believe in "the" bible. I thought they only believed in the Book of Mormon.

What's the deal? Can he believe in "the" bible? (I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just say that to get votes, right?)

And before a believer says that Jesus changed all that, READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. Jesus stated that not a letter of the old laws are changed. I do not know the verse, look it up yourselves. I will not do your work for you. You believe the crap, you look it up.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

"But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; Acts 24:14

Naomi Wolf-The End of America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

Hello everyone!
This is very disturbing yet not surprising

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMZtFWa4NYo

To follow up on Matthew bit:

Matthew 10:34: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

I wonder if we will all have the right to bear swords.....

Justme, are you the same justme I've bumped into on the SA forums? I'm there under a different handle running the BoB match.


Dave, does this blog have a PM option for members? Thanks.

Whoops, sorry, I marked all that Off Topic but it didn't come out that way.

To alexatheist:
Excellent link!. Thank you

Chaos Engineer, Nope, not the same. Sorry. I couldn't think of a better userid when I signed up.

GodFree&Glad,

Here is another person strong enough to endure the Repub debate, and noticed the demise of our constitution. Very chilling.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/29/0183/4888

cammbot

Thanks for the link. That is exactly how it went down during the Republican debate last night after the question was asked "Do you believe every single word in this book (the bible)?" (quote close enough). And not a one of them had guts enough to point out that no religious test shall ever be required to hold public office.

Later I watched Campbell Brown tell us about the new forces at work these days via the net and tv shaping truth and lies about candidates. And I was already ticked off that Oprah has decided to single-handedly elect Obama.

Damned but politics can depress you these days.

people killed in the Salem witch trials- 18

people killed in the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition- 2000

people killed in the Atheist regimes of Stalin, Lenin, And Mao- over 100 million

I gotta admit, you guys are nothing if not efficient.

people killed in the Atheist regimes of Stalin, Lenin, And Mao- over 100 million

This tired old argument? Really you make it too easy. Stalin, Lenin, and Mao never killed a single person in the name of atheism but rather in the name of communism, facism, etc-.

Jack

So do you think Stalin, Lenin, and Mao were singling out theists for death? What an idiot!

Jack,

It is even worse. 99.999999% of mass murderers have no believe in Santa Claus (I don't have the numbers for the Easter Bunny on hand).

Jack the toad,
I know I'm being repetitive , but those guys killed all opposition reguardless of creed or no creed. I really doubt anyone here really likes Stalin ,Lenin or Mao to the extent you think they do.

Toadie:

people killed in the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition- 2000

Actually, 3000.
But of course, the Goan inquisition made that look like a picnic.
http://www.answers.com/topic/goa-inquisition?cat=technology

people killed in the Atheist regimes of Stalin, Lenin, And Mao- over 100 million

Not done in the name of atheism (note the lower-case 'a').
If everyone here were Commies, you'd have a valid point. But we're not, so you don't.

Let's throw in execution for naming a teddy bear Jesus.

Jack:

people killed in the Salem witch trials- 18

people killed in the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition- 2000

people killed in the Atheist regimes of Stalin, Lenin, And Mao- over 100 million

people killed by your god: All of them. The most efficient killer ever, holding steady at 100 percent success rate.

The republican debate was hilarious. Watching Romney and Huckle berry try to explain how they did but also did not believe every word of their different bibles was great. The only thing they could agree on, it was Clinton's fault! The whole thing was a setup. Ah, great country of ours.

By the way, in case anyone else missed it. Romney will torture if elected. Shouldn't xtians care about something like that?

You can tell yourselves that they were commies not atheists all you want, whatever it takes to get you to sleep at night, but atheism is at the core of those communist philosophies and it proved to have tragic results everytime.
Atheists + Power = blood bath.

If you guys can't differentiate between good religion and bad you're not even in the discussion. Christianity and Islam are two completely different faiths. Your imaginary tales of how the country would be if christians ran it are childish. But after visiting this site for a few months I've come to realize that such antics are the norm.

Don't look now but the fastest growing religion in the world is Christianity, and guess where it's spreading fastest? China (Atheist) and Islamic countries! Yeah for our side! People want truth in their lives, and apparently most of them are finding it in the person of Jesus Christ. Too bad, so sad.

How come in Europe where secular humanism has held sway for so long the biggest movements are witchcraft and Islam?
I don't know, maybe it's because atheism has nothing to offer.Oh well, sucks to be you.

What- I thank God for atheists like you. I love you man, no, really.

pha,

Yes the republican debate was funny. A bunch of backward christians stumbling around, arguing about which god-idea was real.

The christian does care deeply about torture. They want people tortured. Even McCain, he makes a lot of noise but when he is one of the deciding votes that would put the brakes on torture he votes for torture.

Toadie:

You can tell yourselves that they were commies not atheists all you want, whatever it takes to get you to sleep at night, but atheism is at the core of those communist philosophies and it proved to have tragic results everytime.

As in Albania? Completely secular nation - lots & oodles of tolerance, including inter-religious marriages?
Sweden, Denmark, secular, lowest crime rates per capita in the EU?

How odd, none those crimes were committed in the name of atheism, isn't it?

Since I don't espouse communism in any way shape or form, I sleep quite well at night, thanks.

If you guys can't differentiate between good religion and bad you're not even in the discussion.

You can't seem to differentiate at all.
Philosophies didn't commit those crimes. Religions didn't either.
People did.
Now, religion does tend to give folks the crazy idea that they get a free pass, but hell, folks'll use any excuse to excuse themselves.

Don't look now but the fastest growing religion in the world is Christianity, and guess where it's spreading fastest?

Proves my point.

People want truth in their lives, and apparently most of them are finding it in the person of Jesus Christ.

Ahhh...ain't that sweet. Too bad it's all a chock of lies.

"If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing" - Anatole France.

I don't know, maybe it's because atheism has nothing to offer.

Oh, do take your sophomoric wit elsewhere, where it might be appreciated.
Judging from your blitherings, you probably think Deuteronomy is the operation where they remove your Deuter.

Pha

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The republican debate was hilarious.

It must be tough being a republican during the primaries ... choosing the lesser of eight evils.

Comment from Jack the Toad:

Don't look now but the fastest growing religion in the world is Christianity, and guess where it's spreading fastest? China (Atheist) and Islamic countries! Yeah for our side! People want truth in their lives, and apparently most of them are finding it in the person of Jesus Christ. Too bad, so sad.

It's funny how religion is spreading in countries with large populations of uneducated people, while it is shrinking in countries with higher education.

jshanewhite- Like your points. For the records that would be Matthew 5: "(17)'Do not think that I (Christ) came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. (18)For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law until all is fulfilled. (19)Therefore whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great.'" (NKJV).

And as if that wasn't great enough, there's what Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17, which is that all scripture (sic) is given by inspiration of god blah blah blah. A little hard for me to reconcile that with "toss the Old Testament out the window" although in other regards, such as his insistence that Gentile converts didn't have to adhere to Mosaic dietary laws and circumcision, Paul seems to contradict this. Hmm, a schizophrenic deity?

My favorite is actually when Christians try to brush off the crimes committed by god and his followers in the OT as "well, that was the OT". Well, let's try that one on for size in the modern-day legal system, shall we? I guess we'd have to let BTK go, after all he hadn't killed anyone for a while and was a nice deacon or whatever at a Lutheran church, wasn't he? HELLO! When is there EVER a statute of limitations on murder and concubinage? (I'm referring in the case of the former to Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the slaughter of the firstborn in Egypt [NOT cool, I'm firstborn!], and the many slaughters committed by the Hebrews in Midian and Canaan, and in the case of the latter to the practice displayed in Numbers 31 of keeping virgin girls as sex prizes). We don't let serial killers off the hook for years in prison and signs of remorse, and the Christian god has shown neither of those. Hence, he's still guilty as sin, if you'll pardon the ironic pun.

Jack- I'll try not to be too trite/cliched here, but your equivocation of atheism+power=bloodbath is flat-out libelous and if I may say, hilarious (or would be except that I don't find much to laugh at here). Pick up a few books on the subject of the Soviet Union under Stalin in particular and China under Mao if you haven't done so already (not saying you haven't), and you might realize something: Communism in these places was a RELIGION. A political, atheistic religion to be sure, but a religion nonetheless. Do you have any idea of how deep the personality cults of leaders like Stalin and Mao ran? Look at the paintings of Mao's smiling face beaming like an oversize sun over a valley of the Chinese workers' paradise and tell me that's not hagiographic art.

Needless to say, I don't follow either Stalin or Mao.

Oh and by the way, there were quite a few less people alive in the days of the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem witch trials to kill, as opposed to the POST-INDUSTRIAL era in Russia and China in the twentieth century. But since you brought up both of those, those aren't the only crimes committed in the name of religion. What about the destruction and/or enslavement of indigenous cultures throughout the world by Christian Europeans, missionaries sanctioning the destruction of the artistic and spiritual heritage of peoples from the Caribbean to highland New Guinea? What about the razing of temples and erection of churches in Mexico, or the razing of temples and erection of mosques in Iran and Indo-Pakistan? Yes, I know, the latter was Islam but the point remains a valid one. Hint: if you're going to lump us together with Stalin, Lenin and Mao I get to lump you with Columbus, Cortes, Hitler (a confirmed Roman Catholic who was never excommunicated and had two popes and numerous Lutheran and other Protestant clergy on his payroll), Muhammad, and other theistic conquerors!

Why is Christianity on the rise in so many places? Ever occur to you there might be some discernable historical factors? Like, just for instance, European colonization in Africa and the devastation it left in its wake? What about the alienation in Russia from the old order of the Tsar and the Russian Orthodox church, and the desire to get away from an oppressive Soviet past, think that might have something to do with the rise of Evangelical-type churches such as the Baptists? Latin America, well fuck, they've had civil wars, U.S. proxy intervention, all kinds of shit, and the old post-colonial orders have disintegrated in places like Guatemala, Nicaragua, Peru... the list goes on, and I can go into more detail if you wish. (Do you? I've taken a couple classes on this so I really do know something of what I'm talking about here).

Europe: well shucks but I think you shot yourself in the foot here! I think they've grown tired and disaffected from Christianity- who could blame 'em?! You think witch-burnings, inquisitions, and religiously-fueled wars would be enough to do it for anyone, coupled with advances of a secular society- they're outgrowing their need for it. Why is "witchcraft" on the rise there? People trying to get in touch with something new that will satisfy their needs. Hell, vs. Christianity who can blame 'em! Honestly, you say it like it's a bad thing, some dirty word even. You might have done well in medieval-Renaissance Germany. Islam? Of course it's on the rise there! The birth rate's been slipping and they've been experiencing an influx of immigrants from Africa and Asia, places like former French West Africa, Algeria, Iran, etc. etc. etc., places that, last I checked, are Muslim!

Toad, thanks for the opportunity for a little riposte and debate. I'm really not attacking you here, but I think you should retool your approach. Nothing you're saying is really that new to me, or probably to any of us, and it only pegs you as a rather self-righteous and somewhat sanctimonious fundy. Hate to break it to ya but that's how it comes across. Anyway later man, ~Atheopithecus, the godless Ape.