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the good news is that this is bullshit

the bad news is that theres plenty of it (Young Guns Movie)

Here's one laughable quote from this unconstitutional piece a smelly righteous bullshit and waste of tax payer dollars....

"Whereas political scientists have documented that the most frequently-cited source in the political period known as The Founding Era was the Bible"....

like burning witches, enslaving a race, discriminating against women, bigotry and intolerance...the fucking list goes on and on....what a great source...

Let's not get emotoinal about this...eh?

Facts are facts. The author of this article tries to explain away...

"Whereas political scientists have documented that the most frequently-cited source in the political period known as The Founding Era was the Bible"

...by making the argument that it wasn't the bible these quotes came from, but from sermons. Does this really need to be explained?

You know...we could replicate all but 12 verses of the New Testament by simply using "sermons" from the 1st century...

This has actually all been addressed 120 years ago...

http://members.aol.com/TestOath/HolyTrinityOp1-2.htm

The poor theists need another federal resolution to bolster there lack of faith in their faith. We were all born atheist. This is an atheist nation. Deal with it.

Theism is so costly and wasteful. To promote, in a world of finite resources, such a costly and wasteful institution as religion is not in the interest of humanity. A lie is an expensive thing to maintain and everyday one can see the enormous resources devoted to maintaining the lies of theists. Our planet demands and end to theism.

there -> their. There there.

documenting that this is a christian nation would be like saying this is a mans nation, or a white nation, or a hetero white mans nation ...

it will not fly past even the righteously tilted supreme court let alone the house....

suck it phreedm

It's lovely how they use "American Religious History Week" instead of "America was Founded on Christianity Week."

Because really, isn't that what the bill is saying?

If America was founded as a Christian nation, why did the Founding Fathers ignore and go against large parts of the bible? Freedom of/from Religion, freedom of speech, and many other rights go against God's will.

Me, I am just thankful we live in a society with a government strong enough to restrain the murderous impulses of the Christian god and his followers :)

Off topic:

How can we atheists become trolls on Christian blogs? An eye for an eye, right?

Naughtyniko

I was enjoying reading all the refutations of the articles of HR888, when the post just stopped midway thru. ??? I even went so far as to sign up as a subscriber to the site to try to find the end of it, but couldn't. Anybody know where/how to find the rest of it?

i don't know if we'd be any good, because trolls apparently don't excel in reading comprehension (see above).

I've tried trolling Christian blogs, but most of them just ban me. After all, Christianity is not very democratic religion given its based off the dictates of a nut job dictator-god.

Personally, I really don't think Xtians know the difference between being a Majority Xtian based Country vs being a nation governed by the U.S. Constitution.

Xtianity is not the Supreme Law of the Land; the U.S. Constitution is...
but Xtians believe the two are the same.

Atheon

karen,

I sent an email to the author, I would like to see the end also.

To all,

It is in the best interest of the christian, that we argue with their trolls as opposed to doing things that would make our elected politicians know that we expect them to represent us as well. They break the wall one brick at a time, there won't be one point where you will think this is the one that goes too far. It is all just a bunch of smaller stuff that adds up to a lot. One day they might declare a theocracy but it is more likely they want a theocracy without declaring it. The christian will take whatever it can get.

I hope our fasination with our christian pets isn't causing us to neglect doing things that might actually help.

rna2dna

[I hope our fasination with our christian pets isn't causing us to neglect doing things that might actually help. ]

Well said...

Atheon

>>Naughtyniko Off topic:

>>How can we atheists become trolls >>on Christian blogs?

Well, first we remove your brain...

>>An eye for an eye, right?

That's their book. I don't think it's worth it, and it's been said:
"An eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind."

atheon,

Thanks! Would you mind spelling fascination for me? I obviously don't know how :(

I'm glad our congress is working hard on important issues. Wasn't there a war or something going on as well? Oh well, forget about that, let's read the bible.

phreedm
john wesley said all men are born mere atheists.
gov't sanctioned faith is no faith at all.why import the sectarian division of the old world.the founding fathers were active members of the christian church but they were not fools they knew that those who claim to speak for god only speak for their own desires.

Comment from: Hoodlum

Freedom of/from Religion

Freedom from religion...?

Hoodlum, how about giving us one example of people coming to America before 1776 with this concept...

This is a great example of a lie being propagated by groups such as AA...

Thomas Paine, plus MD, the misnamed Tolerant Colony, repeatedly singled out atheists for discriminatory measures.

Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?

rna2dna,

Sure, that's easy. "Phacinayshun"

Hope that helps.

Atheon :)

Comment from: Hoodlum

Thomas Paine, plus MD, the misnamed Tolerant Colony, repeatedly singled out atheists for discriminatory measures.

Please provide resources and an example or two...

Comment from: Hoodlum

Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?

Freedom...is freedom. The freedom's you describe are simply parts of the greater freedom one as from the Spirit...

phreedm,

Our founding fathers ENDED the control and power of the xian church once and for all. Because of america all xian theocracies were eventually ended and will never have any government control again.

They destroyed a millenium of rule by xians and the xians have no power anymore over anyone except those who voluntarily enslave themselves and their children.

Freedom FROM religion. They knew exactly what they were doing and why. And that was to destroy the xian power hold.

The bible calls for the exact opposite of freedom. You can't do anything you want because there is eternal burning waiting if you don't do EXACTLY what god wants.

If you translate that into a government you get the old testament form of rule where EVERYTHING calls for the death penalty i.e. witchcraft.

So you aren't free phreedm, but you are lucky enough to live in a free country.

The freedom's you describe are simply parts of the greater freedom one as from the Spirit...

That sentence is a bunch of words strung together with no meaning.

one as from the spirit? WTF does that mean?

What's a "Spirit"?

"greater freedom"????

It ain't freedom to think that's for sure.

Comment from: Hoodlum

Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?

I could give numerous examples from both the old and new testaments. But just to wet your apparent appetite...

How about the Scripture found on the Liberty Bell?

The Pennsylvania Assembly ordered the Bell in 1751 to commemorate the 50-year anniversary of William Penn's 1701 Charter of Privileges, Pennsylvania's original Constitution. It speaks of the rights and freedoms valued by people the world over. Particularly forward thinking were Penn's ideas on religious freedom, his liberal stance on Native American rights, and his inclusion of citizens in enacting laws.

As the Bell was created to commemorate the golden anniversary of Penn's Charter, the quotation "Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof," from Leviticus 25:10, was particularly apt. For the line in the Bible immediately preceding "proclaim liberty" is, "And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year." What better way to pay homage to Penn and hallow the 50th year than with a bell proclaiming liberty?

Inscribed on the Bell is the quotation, "By Order of the Assembly of the Province of Pensylvania for the State House in Philada."

http://www.ushistory.org/libertybell/pics/strip.htm

http://www.ushistory.org/libertybell/

Wow..."By Order of the Assembly of PA". Scripture placed on the bible. Following the 50 year jubilee described in Leviticus 25:10

Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants.

Imagine that...and in a secular nation...

Nope...the bible had nothing to do with the founding of America...right.
So I ask you...exactly who is rewritting history?

And just in case you're unsure of the definition of "liberty".

1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberty

dawnisis...

Prove it with facts.

If what you say is true, then why were christian church services held within Federal Government buildings up until the 1870's?

And I specifically asked for an example of a group of people fleeing from anywhere to come to America for the sole purpose of "Freedom from Religion" BEFORE 1776.

dawnisis...one things for certain. You have obviously never read the bible. So any further discussion on here would be a waste of real estate.

However, please feel free to contact me if you're sincere in your questions...

one as from the spirit? WTF does that mean?

What's a "Spirit"?

phreedm@yahoo.com

phreedm,

And I specifically asked for an example of a group of people fleeing from anywhere to come to America for the sole purpose of "Freedom from Religion" BEFORE 1776.

FREEMASONS. Every founding father was a freemason. The Declaration of Independence is based on freemason philosophy. George Bush is a self admitted freemason. Every president has been a freemason. The freemason's tell all members to adopt the majority religion in order to gain power.

Your money has FREEMASON symbols on it. Look it up.

The church of england was murdering freemasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry#Religious_opposition

phreedm,

Whatever you want to believe doesn't change was is and I feel sorry for you.

The founding fathers destroyed the rule of the church on purpose and they told the sheeple whatever they had to in order to get them to fight.

Learn history. I have Freemason books from the 1700's and you can call a rare book dealer right now and buy them. I recommend the encyclopedic sets. I also have the personal papers of george washington which was distributed as a book to freemasons.

karen,

Anybody know where/how to find the rest of it?

Fixed now! (thanks to Chris Rodda) It is worth reading the part that wasn't there before and the comment from Bruce Wilson.

Here is a link to buy the books.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=&tn=history+of+freemasonry&pn=&sortby=1&x=63&y=16

I brought up a set I personally have.

Comment from: dawnisis

Every founding father was a freemason.

Untrue. Period.

The Declaration of Independence is based on freemason philosophy.

Which is what? Spell it out and it's source.

phreedm,

Regardless of the number of instances where God is referenced in historical documents (currency, Pledge of Alleg...etc.), the ruling authority is the U.S. Constitution.

We can reference all 66 Chapters of the Bible all we want but it has no legal power here.

phreedm,

I a even gonna go the extra mile for you. I am gonna get my freemason books and scan in the founding of our country and why it came about.

I will set up a webpage and I will personally email you a link.

I will also post the web addy here for my atheist peeps so we never have to have this discussion about why this country was founded again.

It will take an hour or 2 bbs.

Comment from: atheon

We can reference all 66 Chapters of the Bible all we want but it has no legal power here.

Agreed. But that's not what this thread is about.

How about the Scripture found on the Liberty Bell?

Interesting...

"Whereas 4 days after approving the Declaration, the Liberty Bell was rung;"
In reality, the Liberty Bell was never rung in conjunction with the reading of the Declaration of Independence. The belfry of the State House had deteriorated so much by 1776 that ringing the bell was impossible. The bell ringing myth began in 1847 with a fictional story written by George Lippard. In Lippard's story, published in the The Saturday Currier, the aged bellman at the State House was waiting in the belfry, ready to ring the bell the minute that Congress declared independence. But, after waiting for some time, he began to have doubts that this was really going to happen. Then, the bellman's grandson, who was listening at the doors of the Congress, suddenly shouted, "Ring, Grandfather! Ring!" The popular myth of the ringing of the bell on July 8, the day the Declaration was read to the public, evolved over the years from a combination of Lippard's story and an assumption by people unfamiliar with the condition of the State House belfry in 1776 that the bell would have been rung for such an important event as the reading.

"Whereas the Liberty Bell was named for the Biblical inscription from Leviticus 25:10 emblazoned around it: `Proclaim liberty throughout the land, to all the inhabitants thereof';"

In order to associate the Liberty Bell, and particularly its biblical inscription, with the American Revolution, revisionists must disregard its real history. The only connection between the Liberty Bell and the Revolution is that it happened to be the bell that hung in the building where the Continental Congress met. The inscription, which is preceded in the Bible by a reference to "the fiftieth year," was chosen a generation before the Revolution by a now obscure Quaker, Isaac Norris, to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of Governor William Penn's Charter of Privileges, the 1701 document that secured the religious freedom and other rights of the colonists and formally gave the Pennsylvania Assembly the expanded legislative powers that it had already begun to exercise.

At the time of the Revolution, and for many years after, the bell was simply called the State House bell. The majority of the signers of the Declaration probably had no idea what was inscribed on it. It wasn't dubbed the "Liberty Bell" until 1838, when it was adopted as a symbol of liberty by a Boston abolitionist group, and a poem entitled The Liberty Bell was reprinted from one of the group's pamphlets by William Lloyd Garrison in his anti-slavery publication The Liberator. In the decades preceding this, the bell had become so insignificant that, in 1828, the City of Philadelphia had actually tried to sell it as salvage.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/4/24725/53989
So sorry to 'ring your bell', & wreck your pretty story, phreddy.

To Peter Nuhm :

Peter, thanks for covering this. Here's a branding ( or "framing" ) idea.

I'm thinking it might be productive to start branding Congressman Randy Forbes and the 31 co-sponsors of House Resolution 888 as :

"The Fake History 32"

If you ca think of a snappier way of putting this I'm all ears !

Best, Bruce Wilson

KA...

Nice try. But your response has absolutely zero to do with the discussion...

Phreed

Please define what a spirit or soul
actually is.What are its properties,
by what means does it enter or leave
the body? I really would like to hear
your answer.
By the way, I attended a cathoilc school for 11 years so I am well versed in the scriptures.

I started a blog for everyone to see some of my encyclopedic set of the freemasons.

I am in the progress of updating obviously and I will be adding scanned pages next, only the photos are up so far.

Let me know if you have any problems viewing it.

http://aiaproject.blogspot.com/

Dawn

I had no problem opening the blog. Looks promising.

All the text I photographed didn't turn out because of the flash, so I am scanning now.

I am glad I started this it will be good to have a digital version of these books. I have other masonic books too, but I will just do one set at a time.

Nice try. But your response has absolutely zero to do with the discussion...

How so? You drag the bell out as an example, the facts show that it had zero 'to do' w/the discussion.

karen - the rest of it can be found at the unread link I gave phreddy.

Comment from: IVORY GIRL

By the way, I attended a cathoilc school for 11 years so I am well versed in the scriptures.

So...why ask then?

KA...

My response was to this question...


Comment from: Hoodlum

Now Phreedm, tell me where freedom of speech, religion, and association are endorsed in the Bible?

KA
Thanks. I saw rna2dna's update that the post had been fixed and went back and read the rest of it earlier today.
Was tickled by the explanation of the *church* services in the capitol that phreddy is so excited about, but since I made a resolution not to respond to him, I didn't post anything about it. Just enjoyed a private chuckle.
I am currently procrastinating about composing an email to my area representative, who is a cosponsor of this resolution. Trying to wait until the invective wears off and I can produce something more politely persuasive. ;)

Comment from: reason

john wesley said all men are born mere atheists.

And if he did...your point is?

This resolution is good news for the creepy Oral Roberts Mafia and their budding "Six Flags Over Jesus" theme park. Wanna guess how much taxpayers will fork over for a 10 ft bronze replica of Jesus's head plus crown-of-thorns, neon tears and that trademark compassionate smile???

Dontcha know it's about the money???

"Whereas throughout the American Founding, Congress frequently appropriated money for missionaries and for religious instruction, a practice that Congress repeated for decades after the passage of the Constitution and the First Amendment;"

My response was to this question...

I caught all that. So then you haul out this hoary old chestnut about the LB as an example. When it's proven that the bell played absolutely NO PART in America's founding (it wasn't even a symbol for anything until 1838), somehow, miraculously, the goalposts move.
Oh wait: there's no such thing as miracles. You're just being disengenous.
Hardly a shock.
Let's face it: you derive your 'info' (disinfo would be a better word) from spin, rather than actual facts.
Barton's a lying sack. I found that out early on. No, old Scratch hisself tain't whisperin' in me ear. Good ole reality's good enuff for me.

Like I said JCc,

You know it is only because christians are trying to force their shit on the world. We found out that the more respect we gave you, the more you took from us.

STOP, trying to force. That is the problem. Go do your church in your church, get out of my government and my life. Get it?

KA...tough to see through your hatred and superiority eh?

Don't waste my time...it's obvious you can't follow the discussion...

Phreedm,

How about stop wasting OUR time...it's obvious that every time you breathe, you are stealing oxygen from the rest of us.

phreedm, go read the MD constitution, it forbids atheists from holding public office.

Don't waste my time...it's obvious you can't follow the discussion...

The Leviticus quote? Likely it's applicable only to the Israelites. They kept slaves around then, didn't they? Took them from conquered tribes, no?
Fact is, I caught you out on yet ANOTHER 1 of your religious fibs - trying to plant seeds again, aintcha?

US doomed if president doesn't believe in evolution:

http://www.physorg.com/news118756781.html#javascript

Comment from: quantum_flux [Member]
http://www.physorg.com/news118756781.html

A better question to ask a presidential candidate than "do you believe in creationism" is whether they believe in "destructionism".

Do they believe Genesis and Revelation, and possibly all of the crap in between too? I posit that almost all of the US presidential candidates on the right side do in fact beleive in the "science of destructionism" as well as in the "science of creationism."

This article is not that far off in talking about doomsday being brought on for the faithfully believing christian right. There is, indeed, the same amount of concern for the US today as there was for NAZI Germany in 1930.

I wonder if it was the holy bible this guy took his oath with....

A Roman Catholic priest was arrested on perjury charges Wednesday, accused of lying about his relationship with a mobster in testimony to a grand jury investigating a cas1no owner's possible ties to organized crime.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/
02/grandjury.sl o ts.ap/index.html