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IRS Investigating Obama's United Church Of Christ
Says Reason To Believe Speech Violated Restrictions On Political Activity By Non-Profit Groups

Although I support Obama, I am glad to see this action taken by the IRS. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Just wanted to throw this out there before our resident troll rolls out his hypocrisy argument. Too late phreddy; you loose.

Ren
goodman why do you support obama.on time in office if he was a whiteman he would not even be considered vice president material.explain the difference between obama,clinton,mccain they all get funded by big business they all support a globalist foreign policy.all support some form of big gov't.
i know i sound like the cynic but what is the chance of the next president doing anything on say healthcare when united states is bankrupt.

From the Inquisition to enabling child sexual predators. What a proud day to be a catholic!

reason

why do you support obama.on time in office if he was a whiteman he would not even be considered vice president material.

Obama has more federal legislative experience than did Lincoln prior to his presidency and Lincoln was easily one of the best presidents.

alex
NO CHILDS BEHIND LEFT is the new slogan for catholic schools.

What
are you serious Lincoln was an ape who got 600,000 citizens killed to preserve yankee empire.he didn't give a damn about the slaves.

reason,

Of the three individuals currently with any chance of getting elected, he was the only one to get it right about the Iraq War. We all know how important that one issue is to those of us with a dog in the fight.

Obama may be a terrible president, but I refuse to vote for Hillary because she voted to authorize the war, even though she was in a position to KNOW it was wrong, and she still did it. Do I even need to go into the reasons I detest McCain?

I voted libertarian in the last two general elections, but we simply cannot afford another Republican in the White House at this critical juncture in time. Therefore, my vote will go to the lesser of the many evils.

I will not throw away my vote on Nader, even though I have a great deal of respect for his body of work on the part of the consumer.

Speaking of Lincoln and slavery; I made a terrible mistake the other night. My son is very mature for his age (10) and I wanted to teach him a little about the history of our country. We had already watched the movie 'Glory" and he thought it was powerful and moving.

On that note, I thought he was ready to watch Amistad. Boy was I wrong. I had forgotten just how brutal that movie is. It absolutly traumatized him. The opening scene had him crying unconsolably, and I finally had to turn it off after they threw the group of slaves overboard. I tried to comfort him, but whenever I tried to talk to him, he would start to cry again. He finally asked me a question about slavery tonight, although unrelated to the movie.

I feel terrible about doing that to him, but it wasn't with malice. I honestly wanted him to see the reality of how we got to where we are today. I highly recommend it for those who haven't seen it, but it is absolutly NOT for children.

Ren
i respect your reasons.the next president will face on day one a house of cards in freefall.

reason,
I agree. We are in a world of shit and I don't know that the greatest president in history could solve the problems that have been building for decades. They just happen to be exponentially worse after the last seven years.

Ren
i read the book as a teen many moons ago it is a moving story so don't feel terrible.you planted a seed so that when he grows up horrors like darfur will not be just something to ignore.

Gen.Casey testifies army at breaking point.this is not good folks.

reason,

The army has been on it's deathbed for quite some time. It is only through a policy of Stop-Loss and dangling rediculous amounts of tax free money to soldiers that have been involuntarily extended in an effort to get them to reenlist, that the army has been able to keep the ranks filled, as it is. A soldier that has $20,000 dangled in front of him to reenlist, when he will not be let out of the army anyhow, has a tendency to take the money. They are now offering up to $40,000 to get new recruits to sign up, and up to $120,000 for special forces to stay in for an additional 6 years.

That's just the manpower issues. Never mind that our equipment is worn out and cannot be replaced fast enough. Our soldiers are still the best in the world, but they are bailing out at the first possible opportunity. It is only a matter of time before we have the hollow army that we had in the late '70s.

The Holy Office relied on reports from Dominicans, Franciscans and lay people, he said, and the Church had a "network" of monitors.

That is similar to the christian community I grew up in. The real problem was that the "monitors" would try to place blame for mischief on those that didn't cater to the local christian god-idea. So the local christian "good" kids could get away with anything. Of course, occasionally the "monitors" would catch the "good" kids acting badly. The "monitors" would often hand out a verbal warning to the "good" kids, if they apologized and promised repentance the "monitor" would report the incident as something that likely could have been done by the outsiders again. Which would clearly pass the christian idea of not lying.

Disgusting christians!

reasoon

are you serious Lincoln was an ape who got 600,000 citizens killed to preserve yankee empire.he didn't give a damn about the slaves.

Give me a break. Crazy ass southerners got 600,000 citizens killed. The freeing of the slaves was clearly a war related tactic with the goal being the weakening of the rebels - a rebellion both led and controlled by the slave owners. I don't know how Lincoln felt personally about slavery and I don't care. I do care about his behavior and that behavior got two birds with one stone.

But back to my main point. Obama has all the experience he needs. McCain is a corrupt and pathetic old man that has seamlessly transitioned from the Keating Five to the Paxson One. He has as much personal integrity as BushCo.

Ren,

You miss the point entirely. I'm glad you support the action against the messiah's church. My point has been where does AA stand on this issue? You don't hear Dave or Ellen supporting the IRS action...that's where the hypocricy lies...

And speaking of hypocrisy...nice to see you support bombing Pakistan...

Back on Topic...

But documents from famous trials such as that of Galileo were saved, Cifres said, and much of the other material had been duplicated and held in local churches or institutions. Galileo, the Italian astronomer, had been condemned by the Church for supporting Nicholas Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the Sun, and not vice versa as the Vatican then held.

Not much has changed...we still have "Thought Police" around...

The case involves Guillermo Gonzalez, an honored assistant professor of astronomy who has been actively working on theories of intelligent design, an effort that ultimately cost him his job, supporters say. Tenure is roughly the equivalent of a lifetime appointment.

The school has continued to deny the handling of Gonzalez' case was related to his support of ID, even though the Des Moines Register documented e-mails that confirmed Gonzalez' colleagues wanted him flushed out of the system for that reason.

And I'm sure many closed minded individuals will express their support for Iowa State just as many closed minded individuals supported the actions of the Vatican against Galileo...

And speaking of ignorance...

Comment from: What

Obama has all the experience he needs.

I guess one becomes an expert in everything once they rasie their hand and they are sworn into office. Even if they've only had 2 years of national expericence without a single accomplishment.

Talk about blind loyalty...Sheesh.

I think I will probably vote for obama, although I would prefer not to vote for any of them, but out of them, obama seems to be the least likely to mess up in the areas I care about. I never did agree with the war, but It is now our mess, and to leave now would just make things considerably worse. The state of american politics just tends to anger me, so my thoughts are still not that well thought out.

Comment from: Ren .

I feel terrible about doing that to him, but it wasn't with malice. I honestly wanted him to see the reality of how we got to where we are today. I highly recommend it for those who haven't seen it, but it is absolutly NOT for children.

Hats off for being so honest...

Children have a gift we've long lost and have forgotten about...innocence.

Great example of protecting a child from "when" they learn about the horrors of life. Exactly why elementary schools should focus on the three "R's" and not teaching kids about social ills...

phreedm,

And speaking of hypocrisy...nice to see you support bombing Pakistan.

You make it sound like I support the bombing of the government of Pakistan. I absolutly support going into the tribal areas along the Afghan border to go after the people that ACTUALLY attacked us on 9-11.

What, no outrage at the Bush administration for using an unmanned drone to kill the #3 Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan about a week ago? Why is it okay for a Republican president to violate our agreement with Pakistan, but not Obama?

I have to go take my son to school, now. More to follow later.

I love discussions about whether Obama has the experience to be President of the USA, while we have a completely idiotic dyslexic coke head in the White House and those who elected the current president say that a septuagenarian with Alzheimer's was our best president ever.

That has got to be a new record for a thread going off-topic. (No offense meant, Ren, and I agree with what you said.)

Soooo... how 'bout those crazy Catholics, huh?

Phreedm,

Great example of protecting a child from "when" they learn about the horrors of life. Exactly why elementary schools should focus on the three "R's" and not teaching kids about social ills...

And yet you would teach them from a very early age that if they don't have blind faith in your particular god-belief they'll spend an eternity being punished.

I totally disagree. It's good to introduce social teachings at a young age. I would avoid using vivid, violent imagery (such as Amistad), but teaching about the ills of slavery and the wrongs of the past is never a bad thing. Just introduce it at a rate that kids can handle.

After all, innocence is just another word for ignorance.

The only thing that has been secret; is the details, that show just how barbaric the church has been.

To bad there wasn't a George Bush around to stop them, as he is trying to stop Islamic barbarians now.

The Bible is full of lessons. One of those lessons is that it is OK to persecute those who do not follow God and his rules.

Seems God is one of the biggest dictators of all time.

Some would say you can't blame God for bad things humans did in his name. Why can't we?

I never did agree with the war, but It is now our mess, and to leave now would just make things considerably worse.

I'm really getting tired of this nonsense. Where do you get this idea that things would be worse if we left? You are right about one thing. It is the fault of the US that Iraq is in the state that it is - more specifically BushCo and its xian right suppport

Rayden

I never did agree with the war, but It is now our mess, and to leave now would just make things considerably worse.

I'm really getting tired of this nonsense. Where do you get this idea that things would be worse if we left? You are right about one thing. It is the fault of the US that Iraq is in the state that it is - more specifically BushCo and its xian right suppporters.

Peter

I love discussions about whether Obama has the experience to be President of the USA, while we have a completely idiotic dyslexic coke head in the White House and those who elected the current president say that a septuagenarian with Alzheimer's was our best president ever.

Exactly. And now they want to put McCain, one of the Keating Five and Paxson One, in office at a time when the lack of banking regulation has led to our economic demise. Just how many nails to they want to drive in our coffin?

TIME:

Some would say you can't blame God for bad things humans did in his name. Why can't we?

because there's no such thing as "God"

Exactly right Flying Weasel.

Since a god exists only in the minds of the believers, whatever attributes it has are really just reflections of those minds. The Abrahamic god(s) does not present a flattering image of its creators.

Am I technically a Creationist, if I believe that all the gods that ever were, have been created by humans?

phreedm,

Children have a gift we've long lost and have forgotten about...innocence.

I would rather my son loose his innocence to the harsh realities of life that he will someday have to navigate through, than to maintain his innocence through ignorant bliss and fairy tales.

Rusty,

That has got to be a new record for a thread going off-topic.

Guilty as charged. No offense taken. I am the king of the ***OT*** post. In my defense, I do not do it to derail the conversation. I use this site as a form of therapy, and sometimes I just need to get things off my chest. My apologies to all that roll their eyes when I post out in left field.

It sounds like there's more factual evidence to put together a classroom curriculum on how people have abused religion over the millennia than there is for intelligent design courses. The inquisition, and other methods that religion used to enforce their beliefs over the ages, would be a substantial portion of that course.

But it all comes down to the same thing - a philosophy with a core set of axiomatic beliefs that are unprovable having to resort to force when some of the sheeple refuse to blindly accept those axioms as fact, or even dare to question them.

Personally, if I were to speculate on the whole situation, I would say that the christians got into the inquisition as an updated version of the roman amphitheater and its' entertainment / intimidation factor on the populace. Another revision of the same sad old story reinventing itself.

phreedm,

You miss the point entirely. I'm glad you support the action against the messiah's church. My point has been where does AA stand on this issue? You don't hear Dave or Ellen supporting the IRS action...that's where the hypocricy lies...

Well, seeing as how I posted it as soon as I saw it on the news, I am not even sure if Dave and Ellen are aware of it, yet. Instead of just assuming they are hypocritical about it, why don't you e-mail them and ask them what their stance is on the subject? Then, you can post their response here for all to see.

Now, back to bombing Pakistan for a moment. How is it that you support a war against a country that did not attack us, did not threaten to attack us, and had no capability to attack us, yet you are against going into the counrty that virtually every intelligence agency in the world believes is harboring UBL? Just who's side are you on, anyway? The happiest person in the world, for the United States having invaded Iraq, is UBL. You seem to support him more than your own country. Talk about hypocricy. Sheesh!

Comment from: alatham [Member]

And yet you would teach them from a very early age that if they don't have blind faith in your particular god-belief they'll spend an eternity being punished.

Hmmm...no. What church did you attend?

Just introduce it at a rate that kids can handle.

So we agree

Great example of protecting a child from "when" they learn about the horrors of life.

But just exactly who do you want to trust to make that decision?

Comment from: alatham

After all, innocence is just another word for ignorance.

I can tell you're not a parent...

Comment from: Ren

I would rather my son loose his innocence to the harsh realities of life that he will someday have to navigate through, than to maintain his innocence through ignorant bliss and fairy tales.

What a perfect example of expressing the differences between the way you and I look at life...

Comment from: (: tom :)

But it all comes down to the same thing - a philosophy with a core set of axiomatic beliefs that are unprovable having to resort to force when some of the sheeple refuse to blindly accept those axioms as fact, or even dare to question them.

I couldn't have said it better...glad to see you and I agree on at leaset one topic...

phreedm,

What a perfect example of expressing the differences between the way you and I look at life...

So we agree

I believe in a reality based existence. And you?

phreedm,

BTW, you ignored my question why it is okay for George Bush to attack Al Qaeda/Taliban targets in Pakistan, but not Obama. Care to explain yourself, or should I just assume you have no answer?

Al-Qaeda number three 'killed by CIA spy plane' in Pakistan

http://tinyurl.com/2tpa23

Phreedm,

Hmmm...no. What church did you attend?

None, I was under the impression that the Christians believe the Bible is telling the truth. So when the book of revelation mentions being "tormented day and night for ever and ever" I naturally take that at face value.

Am I to assume you believe in Conditional Immortality? Or are you being disingenuous and refusing to answer my question honestly?

Insist on keeping children ignorant of the reality of social ills while also teaching them that your horrible myth is fact is child abuse.

I can tell you're not a parent...

The fact that I have no children at this time is irrelevant. I can tell you don't like answering difficult questions.

Nothing the Catholic Church has done or will do surprises me.

As for the OT discussion and the slate of presidential candidates, with tongue in cheek, here is the only answer:

We are on a steep downhill slide. The problems we facr are so overwhelming that it is unlikely even the wisest person on the planet can fix things.

What a president has to look forward to is unbelievable stress,
frustration and criticism from all sides no matter what s/he does or doesn't do.

Therefore, any person who openly seeks the office is clearly insane. We should endeavor not to put an obviously insane person into the Whitehouse.

The only sensible thing to do is throw the idea of elections out the window and search for the best possible candidate who is sane enough to know he doesn't want the office. Then we must drag him or her kicking and screaming into the Whitehouse and lock him/her inside. Perhaps when s/he ceases pounding on the door begging to be let out s/he will make some small measure of progress in pulling us out of the mess we are in.

And since they did not seek the job we can hardly criticize their actions.

Comment from: Ren

Instead of just assuming they are hypocritical about it, why don't you e-mail them and ask them what their stance is on the subject?

Awwww...come on Ren. Give me some credit...

Of course Ellen was notified...she informed me..."I'll look into it"...

If you'd like a copy of the subject matter of the email, contact me. I'm not going to post it on here...

Comment from: Ren

I believe in a reality based existence. And you?

Totally...

Comment from: Ren

BTW, you ignored my question why it is okay for George Bush to attack Al Qaeda/Taliban targets in Pakistan, but not Obama. Care to explain yourself, or should I just assume you have no answer?

No...I didn't ignore it. After all I am the only opposite view on this blog...

Simple answer actually...

We killed number 3 WITH Pakistan's permission...

Obama stated...he'd go in and bomb "with or without" Pakistan's permission...

Flying Weasel,

You obviously missed my point, given your simplistic answer, which should be a given on an atheist blog. Sorry I wrote over your head, next time I'll be more elementary.

Hey Ren,

McCain may be ineligible...

He was born in the Panama Canal zone...?

Wouldn't that be a hoot...

Get a job Phreekshow and earn your keep, you parasite.

phreedm,

Obama said if we had actionable intelligence on UBL, we would act on it, permission or not. You would let Musharraf dictate wheather or not we killed UBL? You are such a tool!

McCain may be ineligible...

He was born in the Panama Canal zone...?

You obviously know nothing of 'SOFA' (Status of Forces Agreements). The Canal Zone was considered "American Soil" when McCain was born there.

My daughter was born in a German hospital, in Germany, to two American parents, serving in the military in Germany. She even has a German Birth Certificate, along with an attatched letter from the American Consulate in Frankfurt. But guess what? She is American and has ALWAYS been an American, and being born in Germany would not keep her from being president.

Now, if she grows up to be an Atheist... THAT would prevent her from being president. Hell, looking at all the smears going on against Obama, because of his Muslim Father, having the country find out that 'I' am an Atheist would probably be enough to keep her from getting elected president.

phreedm,

If you'd like a copy of the subject matter of the email, contact me. I'm not going to post it on here...

You have my e-mail addy. Send it,(pause) over!

Comment from: Ren

You obviously know nothing of 'SOFA' (Status of Forces Agreements). The Canal Zone was considered "American Soil" when McCain was born there.

You're right. I don't know about SOFA, although I do now. Thanks.

I'm merely quoting the latest story that's going to be a hit on McCain...

McCain's birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/28/america/28mccain.php

phreedm,

You are welcome about the SOFA info. Any soldier that has been stationed overseas is (had better be for their own good) familiar with their host country's SOFA.

As far as McCain being born overseas, it is a Tempest in a Teapot. The constitutional requirement for a president to be born in America is to keep naturalized citizens like Arnold Schwarzenegger from being president, not the children of active duty military that happen to be born overseas.

Were you aware that every US Embassy in the world, no matter where it sits, is considered "American Soil"? Likiewise, foreign embassies in the US are considered foreign soil.

Is it just me, or is it so much more pleasant to exchange information cordially, than to argue?

TIME,

Flying Weasel gave a perfectly reasonable answer to your question.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not in either of your posts.

phreedm,

Great example of protecting a child from "when" they learn about the horrors of life. Exactly why elementary schools should focus on the three "R's" and not teaching kids about social ills...

You seem to be saying that we should not teach young children the difference between 'good' touching, and 'bad' touching. You're not a Catholic priest, are you?

I'm still trying to make sense of these two posts by phreed:

Exactly why elementary schools should focus on the three "R's" and not teaching kids about social ills...

There should be NO LIMITS in education. Period...

I love the ellipsis following the word Period. Really hammers down that declaration.

AOL

Phreeky should come with a warning label forewarning folks of the potential hazards in trying to make sense of his blathering.

Comment from: phreedm [Member]
Comment from: (: tom :)

But it all comes down to the same thing - a philosophy with a core set of axiomatic beliefs that are unprovable having to resort to force when some of the sheeple refuse to blindly accept those axioms as fact, or even dare to question them.

I couldn't have said it better...glad to see you and I agree on at leaset one topic...

You agree with me, that all religions are philosophies with a core set of axiomatic beliefs that are unprovable?

You agree with me that all religions have had to resort to force over the eons when some of the sheeple refuse to blindly accept their unprovable axioms as fact, or even dare to question them?

Why is it that I seem to be skeptical about this?

tom,

Phreedm is just trying to bring you down to his level.

Of course he agrees with you, but he'll never admit it.

Phreedm is fundamentally afraid of being wrong about his god-belief. It's as if his whole life will cave in if he gives up a single argument.