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Perhaps, like the Red Cross, a vague religious reference makes a charity look more charitable.

Or, perhaps they have learned the value of pandering.

If one had a busieness for sale, how would one contact you?

One would send me an email, Seeker :)

I like to put atheist notes in the pockets of the articles of clothing if I'm going to donate clothes to any charity .... something like "Believing in miracles and in god is the root cause of your poverty you dipshit, riches only come when you start acting logically and see to it that cause and effect are interelated!"

QF

What does "acting logically" mean?

What,

For the answer to your question, you should try consulting Spock.

none of us is immune to the pitfalls of bias, its instances like this that illustrate the importance of doing a little research instead of relying on preconceptions.

really, everyone should take a little time to research any charity before giving money. especially in a time when information is so easy to obtain.

Dave

Read the provided 990 reports on the CMN. You will learn that it is an LDS foundation. I know that doesn't distract from its mission or goal to help children who need medical care, but it is the front charity for the Osmond Foundation. All officers of the CMN Board are listed with the same address in SLC.

I likewise feel the need to support the goal of providing health care for America's children as well as the rest of the world. I do so domestically by giving my support to HR 676 Health Care for All through providing Medicare for all citizens.

Future Tourism Land:

http://usera.imagecave.com/quantum_flux/Halfbaked_Ideas/FutureTourismLand.jpg

This is one of my drawings inspired by the book "Where's My Jetpack" and the TV show "Futurama". The SSTO-transporter and transfer ship was inspired by Burt Rutan and by NAVY aircraft carriers (just shrink it down and make it available to civilians). I feel it really has a positive atheist message in it and I'm glad to be sharing my personal beliefs :)

What do you think Dave?

Quantum flux:

Calling a person a "dipshit" is not "acting logically". Sometimes I shop at thrift stores because I need a specific item that I can't find elsewhere. I would be highly offended to find your note, which illogically assumes that I am shopping in a thrift store because I am impoverished, and even if I were it doesn't logically follow that my status is due to belief in the supernatural, and even if it was it does not give you license to anonymously call me a dipshit.

My wife and my mother believe in God and miracles, if only nominally. They are both very wonderful human beings. I cannot believe you'd ever call them dipshits to their face, if you knew them. I'd like to believe you were raised with better manners than that. If I may advise you, continue to put your notes in your donated clothing, but keep them polite. (Actually, I'd bet you don't really use such insulting terms as "dipshit" when you write these notes; I suspect you simply let a little arrogance slip into your comment above).

Also, I checked out your Future Tourism Land sketch. Sorry, but I found it nearly incomprehensible, but that may be strictly my fault. I also realize that you did not specifically solicit comments on it from others here than Dave, so feel free to disregard my critique of it.

I would also point out that they wash those clothes you donate, so any notes are going to be incomprehensible at best.

lol ... I'm not the best artist, but if you zoom in it looks slightly more comprehensible, I think.

Anyway, those are some good points. I'll still call somebody who is religious and poor and begging for money a dipshit. It's because they believe that god is going to take care of them just as the birds that "get their daily bread". Yeah, that is a dipshitty belief. In fact, everything the bible teaches about god is very wrong both scientifically and historically.

So what do you call an athiest who is poor and in need? well that about says it all to me. The bible says the truly poor are poor in spirit.


Prove its wrong Historically, science is a terrible argument, since true sience is perversed in the World today. Things that cant be tested are considered truth all the time in science. ie....Evolution is a theory

cowboyjeans:

first of all, evolution can and has been observed. it's even been "tested" in experiments that followed the developement of rna molecules which can assemble copies of themselves when provided with substrate. although its true that we don't have a working theory of abiogenisis the "theory" of evolution is very, very well supported by observation and testing.

second, we don't need to use science as an argument (the fact that you think that we do belies a fundemental missunderstanding of atheism)

the fact of the matter is that there just isn't any good reason to beleive in god. even less so to beleive in the particular idea of god portrayed in the book that you refference.

cowboyjeans

So what do you call an athiest who is poor and in need?

Um, an indigent atheist?

Prove what's wrong? This?

The bible says the truly poor are poor in spirit.

That's a subjective statement that can't be proven wrong. Or right. Tell you what. Why don't you give proving it right a try and see how it goes?

"the fact of the matter is that there just isn't any good reason to beleive in god. even less so to beleive in the particular idea of god portrayed in the book that you refference."

Tell me a good reason why not to believe . What it really comes down to are selfish thaughts of pride and arrogance to think that you are not responsible to any authority for your actions and for wrong things you have done(In effect your own god). Sadly it is also a deception which the true enemy of your soul desires to use to keep you from ever realizing the true freedom that we all are desperate for. Face it we live in a fallen World, where Justice is often lacking, Rapists get away with murder. Familys divide over greed. To think that none of these things matter and we just lose our inner beings and go back to the dirt is questionable to me. By the way many men have died for the book you fail to proclaim by the proper Title "The Holy Bible".

cowboyjeans,

Tell me a good reason why not to believe.

Ok, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel%27s_teapot

What it really comes down to are selfish thaughts of pride and arrogance to think that you are not responsible to any authority for your actions and for wrong things you have done(In effect your own god).

Don't tell us what we believe. Your understanding of atheism is faulty.

The only people who believe they are not responsible for their actions are those who don't believe in free will. Since Christian views are incompatible with free will, you're the only one that fits this description. Don't project your own flaws onto us and then attack us with them.

Sadly it is also a deception which the true enemy of your soul desires to use to keep you from ever realizing the true freedom that we all are desperate for.

If you're desperate for freedom, maybe it's time to lose the umbilical cord.

All else being equal (environment, mental state, etc), atheists are always more free than theists and more responsible for our own actions. This partly explains why we end up in prison much less often than theists.

Face it we live in a fallen World, where Justice is often lacking, Rapists get away with murder.

Would you prefer the dark ages when religion ruled and justice was almost non-existent? Would you prefer the 1940's when racism was rampant? Would you prefer the 1970's when violence rates were much higher?

I do not think we live in a fallen world (unless you count Bush's presidency). I think the world has done a lot of improving in the last 100 years. It's still far from perfect, but it used to be much worse.

To think that none of these things matter and we just lose our inner beings and go back to the dirt is questionable to me.

Questionable? Sure. Does that mean you accept that it might be so?

There's nothing wrong with questioning things. It's something we atheists seem to excel at.

By the way many men have died for the book you fail to proclaim by the proper Title "The Holy Bible".

So? Terrorists are currently dieing for a different religion. Does that mean they have an equally legitimate claim?

By the way many men have died for the book you fail to proclaim by the proper Title "The Holy Bible".

many men have died BECAUSE of "the book I fail to properly title the holy bible"

oh snap!

but seriously. many men have died for the koran, for buddhism, as willing sacrifices to quetzal-coatl, for any religion you can name there have been zealots. the willingness of people to die for stupid reasons does not compelling evidence make.

Tell me a good reason why not to believe .

tell me a good reason not to beleive that you're an alien

tell me a good reason not to beleive that there's a teapot in an elliptical solar orbit between earth and mars

tell me a good reason not to beleive they have starbucks on jupiter

tell me a good reason not to beleive any ridiculous claim along those lines?

neither you nor I are under cumpulsion to beleive any outlandish claim just because it can't be proven false.

that being said, there really is good reason to beleive that the god described in the bible doesn't exist, for a really thorough explanation see the site:

www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

cowboyjeans
Let's take a look at the word holy, shall we?

Main Entry:
ho·ly Listen to the pronunciation of holy
Pronunciation:
\ˈhō-lē\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
ho·li·er; ho·li·est
Etymology:
Middle English, from Old English hālig; akin to Old English hāl whole — more at whole
Date:
before 12th century

1: exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness2: divine 3: devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity 4 a: having a divine quality
5—used as an intensive ; often used in combination as a mild oath
— ho·li·ly Listen to the pronunciation of holily \-lə-lē\ adverb

Note, before we even get to the definitions, we are referred back to the word "whole".
So let's go there too.

Main Entry:
1whole Listen to the pronunciation of 1whole
Pronunciation:
\ˈhōl\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English hool healthy, unhurt, entire, from Old English hāl; akin to Old High German heil healthy, unhurt, Old Norse heill, Old Church Slavic cělŭ
Date:
before 12th century

1 a (1): free of wound or injury : unhurt (2): recovered from a wound or injury : restored (3): being healed b: free of defect or impairment : intact c: physically sound and healthy : free of disease or deformity d: mentally or emotionally sound2: having all its proper parts or components : complete, unmodified 3 a: constituting the total sum or undiminished entirety : entire b: each or all of the 4 a: constituting an undivided unit : unbroken, uncut b: directed to one end : concentrated 5 a: seemingly complete or total b: very great in quantity, extent, or scope 6: constituting the entirety of a person's nature or development 7: having the same father and mother
synonyms see perfect
Now, can the bible be described as whole by any of those definitions? No, because we know that many of its part were intentionally left out by vote at the Council of Nicea. It is not a whole book.
Now back to the "holy" definitions. It would seem the most applicable one would be "4b: venerated as or as if sacred ". Notice this says as or as IF sacred. Just because you place a high degree of value on it, does not mean that anyone else has any obligation to regard it as any more important than say, an old copy of Playboy Magazine. People dying for it lends no credibility to it whatsoever. The number of people who believe it does not make it true.

cowboyjeans,

Sorry, wrong link. The link I provided is good reason not to take your superstition seriously at all.

Here's a good reason to disbelieve since you happen to think God is worthy of consideration:
http://xkcd.com/373/

Flying Weasel

No starbucks on Jupiter? Is there at least a Dunkin Donuts?

karen:

well, using christian logic I don't see why there shouldn't be.

Yes we live in a fallen world, and it is not due to the recent political power presence or the environment. The heart of man is deceitful and wicked. Each of us seek to do that which is wrong, deep down we all know what we think and enjoy. I dont need to provide examples of the evil deeds that we pursue. Finally, each individual must come to terms with their wickedness and understand individually "I am not a good person" and realize the need to be saved from Gods wrath. By the way I dont call Following the teachings of Christ, Terrorism. That is an idea you have dreamed up in order to compare christianity to Islam. Which by the way is no comparison at all. People are fallen and thats why Religious people get blamed for such actions

cowboyjeans

Each of us seek to do that which is wrong, deep down we all know what we think and enjoy.

Speak for yourself, buckaroo. I do not seek to do anything wrong.

Finally, each individual must come to terms with their wickedness and understand individually "I am not a good person" and realize the need to be saved from Gods wrath.

Au contraire. I AM a GOOD person. I don't need saving from any fantasy creature's anger. This original sin your genie hands out to everyone is a bucket of slop. It's an insane idea, and anyone who accepts the tortuous death of another person as payment for their own debts is a selfish bastard, IMO.

By the way I dont call Following the teachings of Christ, Terrorism

whoa there, easy with the persecution complex.

noone said that "following the teachings of christ" was terrorism. alatham merely noted that people are dieing "for a DIFFERENT religion".

this was a response to your claim that martydom lends credit to christianity. we were merely noting that christianity is not the only religion that has produced martyrs.

now, I'm sure you'd be the first to note that doing good things doesn't make you a good person. in fact, thats the base of the whole theory that people need christ to be saved. I would posit that doing bad things doesn't neccesarily make someone a bad person either. what determines if someone is good or bad is the preponderance of good or bad deeds he's commited. yeah, none of us is perfect, but most of us are at least decent. I'd wager my good deeds against my bad deeds any day of the week as long as we only count actions that I've taken that directly hurt someone else as a bad deed. none of that "original sin" or "coveting" bull.

cowboyjeans,

Why is the world "fallen?" What have we fallen from?

If you say "God's grace" then I'm going to ask you to prove it.

Au Contraire, Everyone you meet seems to say they are a GOOD PERSON! Just ASK! Sure we think because we don’t do egregious behavior on a regular basis we are pretty decent people The Reality is that God’s idea of right and wrong is far above ours, due to his holy nature and intolerance of Sin, He can’t bear the sight or presence of it. So with a few Easy Questions you can reveal the truth. The Questions I’m referring to are based on the same rules which most free countries base their own laws on, that being the Ten Commandments. This is the law that God dealt out to humanity. Use these questions as a mirror to see who you really are. Make sure you hold the mirror close and think.

1. Have you loved the Lord your God with all your Heart Soul and mind? (Now, We know the answer to this one already….)

2. Have you ever taken the name of the Lord in vain/used Jesus or God as a cuss word? The bible says I will not hold him blameless who does this.

3. Have you made a graven image of God? (Put together an idea of who God is that is inconsistent with the Holy Scriptures)

4. Do you keep the Sabbath (reserve time to spend with God on a regular basis)?

5. Have you ever in your whole life told a lie (even a white lie)?

6. Have you ever in your whole life dishonored your parents? (have you ever been naughty toward them)

7. This was a tough one for me; have you ever committed Adultery? (Jesus said to look upon a women with lust is adultery, you can apply that to lusting after a man too.)

8. Have you ever murdered anyone? (Jesus said to hate someone is the same as murder).

9... Did you ever in your life steal anything (even something you thought was small)?

10. Have you ever coveted or wanted something that did not belong to you?

So I ask this Again ARE YOU TRULY a good person?


The bible says if you break one law you've broken them all. I will agree, I am presupposed to the Bible. We are all presupposed to something that influences the way we live and think. If you say you are not, than the only fool is yourself. It may be a mentor, or a book, a subject in a university class, or even a girlfriend.....who knows. The point of all this is to show how fallen our nature truly is. We were created to serve and glorify our Creator, by being obedient, yet we cant on our own merit. God is not a genie, he is a Righteous judge who will expel his wrath on those who mock and who do not seek after him, and do not put their complete faith in him.. I hate it for those, to see an individual lose his/her being for eternity because of pride and arrogance. It is not my will that any atheist should die and have to face God’s wrath. However I am not God nor do I ever want to be, so don’t ask me why Gods wrath is so fierce, and why the fires of hell are so hot. I don’t know what its like to have a being I created turn on me and not acknowledge me.

By the way matrydom does lend credit to the bible and christianity. Many have perversed the idea of martydom, in order to fulfill their deadly quests. You are right, christianity is not the only religion to produce Martyrs. However, Christianity is the only true religion to have produced martyrs.

The Questions I’m referring to are based on the same rules which most free countries base their own laws on, that being the Ten Commandments.

False. 7 out of 10 of the commandments do not regularly appear in modern law. This is a lie perpetuated by the religious right that you have bought into.

http://tinyurl.com/35dksz

This is the law that God dealt out to humanity.

Evidence?

The point of all this is to show how fallen our nature truly is.

Fair enough, but your statements are all based on a jump to conclusions that most of the world does not share with you. So first you have to show evidence that your conclusion is an accurate one.

Do you have any evidence to present?

We were created to serve and glorify our Creator, by being obedient, yet we cant on our own merit. God is not a genie, he is a Righteous judge who will expel his wrath on those who mock and who do not seek after him, and do not put their complete faith in him.

Evidence?

I hate it for those, to see an individual lose his/her being for eternity because of pride and arrogance.

There is zero pride and zero arrogance in my atheism. You show the evidence, I'll jump ship faster than you would ever believe.

However, Christianity is the only true religion to have produced martyrs.

Evidence?

cowboyjeans, you show no evidence of being interested in a discussion that someone can benefit from. The only rule for posting here is, "Dissenting posts are welcomed, but preachy, vulgar, or hateful posts are deleted without apology."

I'm hoping that you are banned in the near future so everyone else can get back to having real conversations.

False. 7 out of 10 of the commandments do not regularly appear in modern law. This is a lie perpetuated by the religious right that you have bought into.

My point was not to say all laws that have been made by follow the 10 commandments exactly, but to show that they are the foundations on which laws have intially been built.
IT is the foundation of Right and wrong and the Supreme Court of the United States Still proclaims these 10 commandments on the courtroom walls.


"Fair enough, but your statements are all based on a jump to conclusions that most of the world does not share with you. So first you have to show evidence that your conclusion is an accurate one."

Do you really think most the world agrees with you? I mean 1 out of 10 people say they dont believe there is a God and that was Based on a recent George Barna Reseach poll. The rest surveyed beleive their is a higher power

"Dissenting posts are welcomed, but preachy, vulgar, or hateful posts are deleted without apology."


Well I was not preaching but I was presenting the facts of what a GOOD PERSON really is,as defined by my own presupposition. And we are all presupposed in some way. I dont beleive I was preaching, but i was dissenting. If the blog creator cant hack my argument and wants me banned, that is his perogative, but since Im here and I believe in free speech Im gonna say it with GUSTO.

Did something I say strike you? Is that why you want me banned? I never pointed the finger at anyone. That was the reflection of the Ten Commandments hitting you if anything. And those hit me at one point too you know.

Why is the argument, always to ask for evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence

Im gonna use that same logic and throw it at you.

CAN YOU SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS NOT GOD?

you obviouslsy are a beleiver, you believe your own ideology and Are completely faithful to your opinion and biases?

Please Dont relay fossil records that are ambiguous and without merit. That just proves that Scientists have no real proof that can be tested. I want evidence and hard proof

HERE is a CLUEPON, now get a clue!

I'm hoping that you are banned in the near future so everyone else can get back to having real conversations.

I'll vote for that. In the meantime, just ignore the troll.

The troll is frothing at the mouth. Perhaps it will self-destruct soon.

My point was not to say all laws that have been made by follow the 10 commandments exactly, but to show that they are the foundations on which laws have intially been built.

Agreed, that is what you were trying to say. But you are clearly wrong.

The 3 laws that do show up commonly have been around since well before the 10 commandments were written. Christianity can make no claim to having originated them.

Do you really think most the world agrees with you? I mean 1 out of 10 people say they dont believe there is a God and that was Based on a recent George Barna Reseach poll. The rest surveyed beleive their is a higher power

No, I was saying most of the world disagrees with you. I'm well aware of the difficulties facing secularism.

Since you previously didn't want other religions mixed in with yours (regarding the terrorism remarks), you can't now turn around and claim that they agree with you.

Most of the world does not believe in your deity.

Well I was not preaching but I was presenting the facts of what a GOOD PERSON really is,as defined by my own presupposition.

Don't use the word "fact" if you can't back it up.

Presenting your beliefs as fact is preaching. It's that you then ignore any and all calls for evidence that makes your presence here worthless.

I never pointed the finger at anyone. That was the reflection of the Ten Commandments hitting you if anything.

Except that it was you who presented the 10 commandments as a source of authority without also showing some of your evidence. So it was you pointing fingers at all of humanity.

This is exactly what Authoritarians like yourself are known for. You do something immoral (by telling us atheists that we're all flawed human beings) and then you turn around and blame the authority when we complain.

Read the recent thread about the Jewish family being driven out of their neighborhood for an example of the kind of acts that Authoritarians like yourself can easily be tricked into performing.

Im gonna use that same logic and throw it at you.

CAN YOU SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS NOT GOD?

No, I never said I believe there is no god. Don't make false assumptions about my atheism.

If that confuses you, then look up the difference between strong and weak atheism. I fall into the "weak" category.

I make no claims that cannot be backed up with evidence. If I believe something without evidence, then I make sure to acknowledge the amount of uncertainty.

The reason I ask for evidence so often is because that is the right thing to do. If someone comes up to you with a claim (however outlandish) your response should be to ask for evidence, not to immediately assume they're wrong.

I've been asking you for evidence ever since you got here, but you have none, that is why I would like to see you banned. You simply have nothing to offer here and are just wasting electrical energy and burdening our servers needlessly.

I want evidence and hard proof

Which of my beliefs (which you know nothing about) would you like evidence of?

I assume you're talking about evolution. In that case, here's a very long paper on the subject. If you would like to respond to it then feel free:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

The scientific case for common descent is far stronger than your religious leaders have led you to believe. If you understand it well enough to make a proper counterargument I will gladly recant any suggestions that you be banned.

Tarma,

The troll is frothing at the mouth. Perhaps it will self-destruct soon.

It's as if logic and honest questions are somehow poisonous to them. Why?

cowboyjeans,

One more thing. You asked for hard proof (of what, I'm not sure), so I guess I need to explain something.

"Proof" is something you can only get with logic and mathematics. It's impossible to prove anything beyond a doubt in the real world. The reason I find a belief in evolution to be rational (despite the impossibility of proving it beyond any doubt) is that it has mountains of evidence for it and no evidence against it.

In a sea of unproven theories, evolution is the only one with evidence to back it up. Since it's the clear front-runner and has no competition, it's rational to believe in it with a minimum of uncertainty.

cowboy

The bible says if you break one law you've broken them all.

The Bible says, the Bible says!
You should realize that the Bible carries no weight with us.

The Gospel of the FSM (Marinara Be Upon Him) has better rules than the Bible, AND the FSM follows His own rules, unlike the god of the Bible.
Why should anyone listen to a being who can't even follow his own rules?

We were created to serve and glorify our Creator, by being obedient, yet we cant on our own merit.

Prove it. Especially that first part.

By the way matrydom [sic]does lend credit to the bible and christianity... However, Christianity is the only true religion to have produced martyrs.

Hogwash on both counts. Back it up or shut up.

IT is the foundation of Right and wrong and the Supreme Court of the United States Still proclaims these 10 commandments on the courtroom walls.

The ten Cs actually came from previously stated moral codes. Their placement on the walls of the court is unconstitutional and should be corrected.

The rest surveyed beleive[sic] their[sic] is a higher power

But not your higher power, and not necessarily even a god.

CAN YOU SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS NOT GOD?

Burden of proof is on you, the one making the positive claim.

alatham,

It's as if logic and honest questions are somehow poisonous to them. Why?

Poor troll. In this one's case, I would say that it is empty, frightened, brainwashed, and devoid of any feeling of self worth. Why else would it have such a low opinion of itself and of mankind in general? Too bad it feels it must adhere to all that claptrap to bring meaning to its life. I'd almost feel sorry for it, if it wasn't so fucking arrogant.

Tarma,

Agreed. It's the arrogance that really gets to me. They think they're so right.

cowboyjeans goes on and on about how humans are imperfect and yet can't seem to admit that his (or her) understanding of this god character might not be 100% correct. That fits the definition of arrogance to a T.

By John Jay Harper
Article received from Light Eye

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1, KJV)

Former U.S. Marine and author Edward Arnold asks in 2012: Year of the Apocalypse, "After 2012, will the people of the world be ready to rely … on themselves … be ready to understand that the ‘power of god’ is within one’s own self?" By all indications, we are walking a slippery slope, teetering on the edge of the abyss right now. There are more than enough doom and gloom forecasts. Yet is that because we give our self-will power away to prophets, priests, physicians, and politicians? Of course it is, but why is it that some of us don’t do that? It is because we woke-up in this nightmare called history and remembered that we are co-creators, the self-reflecting mirror-images of God. This self-realization of our self-responsibility for the world we see today is in fact the focus of psychotherapist Paul Levy’s controversial new book The Madness of George W. Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis.

God has taken us for a ride—not the other way around. We do not evolve; we revolve within a cycle that goes from consciousness to unconsciousness to consciousness. Time is circular in other words, not linear. It is as if we truly believed that the purpose of life is death rather then rebirth into higher realms of existence lifetime-after-lifetime. As a person who attended seminary myself at Brite Divinity School, Texas Christian University, in Ft. Worth, albeit so briefly I had barely unpacked my bags before I quit, I can certainly relate to this truth: We do seem to prefer the darkness over the light. But without hesitation, I can tell you that our history is not our destiny. The operative idea today is we must "unlearn the past," if we want our green-future to unfold more naturally. Let the sunshine in and see a new day dawning within a pristine restored Garden of Eden. Open the Gateway to God within our DNA and behold the vision I see in 2012—and beyond.



In Moira Timms' book Beyond Prophecies and Predictions, she writes: "The name Quetzalcoatl is derived from the quetzal bird of Guatemala and Mexico. The quetzal had golden-green and scarlet plumage, and was considered the most beautiful of all birds. ‘Quetzal’ also means precious. ‘Coatl’ is serpent. In the Maya language, ‘Kukulcan’ means approximately the same thing. According to Hunbatz Men, ‘Ku’ is sacred, God. ‘Kul’ is coccyx, the base of the spine, where latent spiritual energy resides. ‘Can’ means serpent. ‘Kukulcan’ therefore is synonymous with ‘kundalini’—which is what the Kukulcan/Quetzalcoatl archetype is all about, of course. To be iconographically correct, however, the god Quetzalcoatl is not himself the feathered serpent, but the one who emerges from the serpent, just as the spirit emerges from the body through the top of the head, and the Morning Star emerges from the horizon." The Morning Star is Venus and is associated with the "savior myths" of self-sacrifice, salvation, and the Eternal Return of the Sun of God worldwide.

So the two Venus transits of our Sun between June 2004 and June 2012 is symbolic of the Second Coming of Christ Consciousness via the "uncoiling" in the serpentine double-helix strands of DNA the latent memories of our relationship to God. Therefore, more than all else, 2012 is the death of time and the rebirth of eternity within us; our cosmically-conscious sense of immortality is restored through the synchronization of our brain-heart cycle to the rising kundalini energy within our Milky Way, Sun, Earth. The symbol of the Ouroboros in mythology where the snake eats its own tail speaks to the consummation of this Alpha and Omega cycle, the beginning and ending of time. Again, the Mayan End-Time refers to the release of a bursting, twisting, uncoiling serpent of light residing in the constellation Sagittarius, rising out of the Mouth of God, the bulge in core of the Milky Way, striking the Earth on the Winter Solstice, December 21st, 2012. In a sublime, surreal way, the Mind of God is coming alive within our own brain cells; that is shifting our 4-D space-time perceptions of reality, by capturing our consciousness, literally. The biblical "rapture" is the experience of expanding one’s sense of self into eternity: The Fifth Dimension.

The biblical "rapture" is the experience of expanding one’s sense of self into eternity: The Fifth Dimension.

The rapture is a 60s and 70s pop vocal group? Cool.

Tarms,

Apparently. A good one, at that.

It's funny that Christ is the Way mentions another dimension. Dimensions are mathematical constructs and can be defined arbitrarily. I own a guitar effect pedal that uses more than 5 dimensions (9, to be precise).

It's also very unclear how "expanding one's sense of self into eternity" would translate into movement along this fifth dimension. If you approach infinity -it's impossible to actually move "into" infinity- along one dimension you won't actually be changing your position along any other dimension. Christ is the Way's final comment is a non sequitur.

To sum it up: Sounds cool, means nothing.

I really love the members who call me "troll". I just smile at the remark, cuz it is quite infantile to make those remarks :). Im not gonna argue evolution with people, due to the fact I am not an expert on the subject matter. However I understand there is a whole lot of dissention over the THEORY in science circles. By the Tarma I especially am concerned for you. I dont really think my problem is self valuation.

By the Tarma I especially am concerned for you. I dont really think my problem is self valuation.

Yes, the troll thinks very highly of itself and the rest of mankind:

[sarcasm alert]

The heart of man is deceitful and wicked. Each of us seek to do that which is wrong, deep down we all know what we think and enjoy. I dont need to provide examples of the evil deeds that we pursue. Finally, each individual must come to terms with their wickedness and understand individually "I am not a good person" and realize the need to be saved from Gods wrath.

troll = not a good person

poor troll

cowboyjeans,

However I understand there is a whole lot of dissention over the THEORY in science circles.

This simply isn't true. There is a lot of hot air being blown from the Creationists, and there is some small amount of arguing over individual points of the Theory of Evolution.

The worst thing the Creationist community has done is to invent this "controversy" within the media. This is partly the fault of scientists due to their disinterest in discussing theories that cannot be tested (like Creationism), but the Creationists did a dirty underhanded thing. The Creationists, instead of going through the normal peer-review process that all good science must go through, instead went straight to the media and convinced the public that there was a "controversy" about evolution and that there was some science behind Creationism. Since the media and the general public know next to nothing about the scientific peer-review process, they ate it up. The truth of the matter is, there's a very good reason no papers on Creationism have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, there simply is no science behind Creationism.

Within the scientific community, there is no real argument about the fact that we can observe evolution and that it has mountains of other pieces of evidence pulled from many branches of science. There are, of course, a few rogues here and there, but they're the ones with the burden of proof and they haven't made any progress at all as of now.

If you don't believe me, read page 83 of the Kitzmiller v. Dover ruling (written by a theist):
http://tinyurl.com/2sz2u7

You can also read the Wikipedia article about it:
http://tinyurl.com/35eh4c

I'm sorry that you've been lied to about the validity of Creationism. Just remember in the future that religious leaders and the mass-media are not good sources for information on scientific topics. These are topics that are far too complicated to explain in a newspaper or during a sermon.

You seem to have the same confusion about evolution that many Creationists (and, for that matter, many non-Creationists) have. There are two different uses of "evolution" that are commonly confused.

First, there is the scientific fact of evolution (note the lower-case 'e'). By combining many different (repeatable) observations inside and outside of the lab, fossil records (which, despite your protest, are not often ambiguous), DNA evidence, and logical deductions we come to the conclusion that evolution has indeed happened and is continuing to happen. This is about as undeniable as anything can be in the scientific community.

Now here's the confusing part: There also exists the scientific Theory of Evolution (note the upper-case letters), originally proposed by Charles Darwin and added to and strengthened by many thousands ever since. The Theory attempts to explain the causes behind the established fact of evolution, most notably by proposing Natural Selection as the main driving factor behind the established fact of evolution.

It is some of these causes and various pieces of Natural Selection that are legitimately argued about. Only those who haven't studied the material deny the fact of evolution.

Here's a page that can explain it a bit better than I have here:
http://tinyurl.com/2jl5a

You should take note that there is also a Theory of Gravity, but nobody in their right mind would suggest that gravity does not exist. The comparison is that, while gravity is readily observable, the Theory of Gravity attempts to explain the mechanism behind gravity.

The funny thing is, the Theory of Evolution has far more support than the Theory of Gravity at this point in time.

CBJ,

Im not gonna argue evolution with people, due to the fact I am not an expert on the subject matter.

Then tell us how on earth you can deny something you admit to knowing little to nothing about?

Is it also your asertion that we are Atheists, because we know little to nothing about Christianity? Boy are you barking up the wrong tree.

CBJ,

I really love the members who call me "troll". I just smile at the remark, cuz it is quite infantile to make those remarks :)

Wrong again. It is actually the correct term for you and your type.

Troll (Internet)
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll


Now, if we called you an ignorant boob, a dimwit, or even cowgirlgenes, then yes, THAT would be infantile. Calling you a troll is just calling a spade a spade.