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I'm not a Catholic but why do you hate them so much? Could it be there is some truth to what they preach?

I rather enjoyed the cartoons. It seems a little strange that an organization would publish a report on how much everybody hates them.
Debbie, what truth are they preaching? enlighten us.

The truth about Christ.

Gee, I only belong to two - guess I'd better try harder :)

Debbie,

Let's see. Lies, oppression of women, greed, sexual predation, fear-mongering, and, of course, it's all about power. Nice bunch of folks, absolutely.

Oh, I guess I need to explain to you: that's sarcasm.

Debbie-

If you've never been violated by the RCC, you can never possibly understand.

Try being a kid w/ a 150+ IQ and getting through your formative years w/ the image in your head that your parents are a pair of self-serving tools, whom you cannot trust.

Debbie,
I don't think we always single out certain groups... its just that certain groups seem to stand on a tall object constantly yelling "Look at me! Look at ME! Look how stupid i'm being!" so naturally, we find out about what those yahoos are doing more often.
They're like that one kid from school who would do whatever it took to be the center of attention...

Debbie

Hatred is not the emotion to ascribe to my motives. If you look at all the instances listed and who the activists are listed by the Catholic League you will see that the religion is involved in a lot more than worshiping Jesus. No one should have any problem with you accepting the truth of Jesus. We do have lots of problems when the religious organizations want to start forcing us to worship idols and gods not of our making. The Catholics who want to put up a creche in on their property is great and their right. But trying to get it put up on publicly owned land that I have to pay taxes to maintain is against the establishment clause of the First Amendment and an act of tyranny against me.

You get to worship who you want without being forced into it. I, unfortunately, do not get the same freedom because I am in the minority and those religious leaders of the religious organizations believe that I should simply look the other way when the majority posts the decalogue or bible verses in my face.

All we are saying is give peace a chance. I know you want to imagine a religious world. I want to imagine a reality rational based world with no religion. It isn't fair you get your wish and I don't and then claim we live in a free nation. I don't live in a free nation, I live in a Christian nation filled with Christians who hate GLBTs, strong free women, and everyone who refutes and dares to doubt their irrational dictates.

I don't follow what you say and I don't follow what Donohue or the pope or the pastor, rabbi, iman, etc. of any religious organization tells me I should follow. I decide entirely on my own what my principles and beliefs will be and the state has no business interfering with my right to do so.

Great resource ,thank you Peter,it reminds me of when I was a kid and would read "The catholic Standard" to see what movies got condemned. That was my must see list.

Peter,

Thanks for the response, That is the best response from an atheist I have ever heard, and I do have some atheist friends. But just for the record I don't hate strong free woman or people that dispute what I believe. Although I agree that there are people that calls themselves a Christian and preaches hate. What I would say to them is study the teaches of Jesus before you start preaching hate because we are taught not to hate but to pray for our enemies. And no Peter, I do not consider you an enemy. I'm just saying that there are good and bad people that claim to be a Christian just like there are good and bad atheists.

Doesn't it just take 1 acsg?

I don't belong to the Nation of Islam or the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence but it is otherwise a pretty representative selection.

Comment from: Debbie [Member]
I'm not a Catholic but why do you hate them so much? Could it be there is some truth to what they preach?
02/29/08 @ 10:08

Comment from: illnoise [Member]
I rather enjoyed the cartoons. It seems a little strange that an organization would publish a report on how much everybody hates them.
Debbie, what truth are they preaching? enlighten us.
02/29/08 @ 10:28

Comment from: Debbie [Member]
The truth about Christ.

Why on earth would anyone think that people would hate catholicism because it's telling the truth? Leaps of 'logic' like this kind of take away from any point trying to be made.

Plus, I'm afraid that your 'truth about christ' would not be in agreement with my 'truth about christ'. How can anyone judge which to believe, when there is no way of providing proof for any statements on this subject?

I really do enjoy that the catholics thought that catholic propaganda about the Da Vinci Code took the greatest amount of catholic league resources for this sort of thing in 2006. That the catholics were so scared of a frelling book speaks volumes about how secure they are in their catholicism.

illnoise

It seems a little strange that an organization would publish a report on how much everybody hates them.

They're just saying, "see how persecuted we are!"

Karen,

They're just saying, "see how persecuted we are!"

But they are being persecuted.

That one LA case tells how some doctors are getting sued because they won't perform the same procedure on a le$bian that they would normally perform on a straight woman. That ain't fair.

In America, white doctors can't restrict treatment on black patients anymore. And soon enough, male Muslim doctors won't have anywhere to go in the world where they can restrict treatment on female patients.

When will the persecution stop?

Debbie,

You can't blithely declare something to be the truth and then not defend it.

Once again, where's your evidence of the existence of your god-belief?

alatham,

Where is your evidence that God does not exhist? This is a two way street.

Debbie,

The burden of proof lies with the believer. The fact that their existence hasn't been denied with a proof does not mean that they exist

debbie:

what is your evidence that there isn't a teapot in an elliptical solar orbit between earth and mars?

what is your evidence that you dont have elves living in your garden?

what is your evidence that thor doesn't exist?

FSM? (flying spaghetti monster)

invisible pink unicorns?

a near infinite number of positive claims can be made that cannot be proven false. are you implying that I'm under cumpulsion to beleive all of them just because I can't prove them false?

there's no good reason to beleive any of the above. the same is true for your claim regarding the existance of god.

that being said, there really is reason to beleive that god (as described in the bible) does not exist. for instance, a number of promises are made by god in the bible which there is no evidence of god fullfilling.

www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

Debbie

Do you believe in Zeus? Woden? Isis?

Karen,

No I don't. But I'm just saying I claim one way as the truth which makes me a believer in that truth and you claim something else as the truth which makes you a believer in that. Now according to Neoman4426 the burden of proof lies with the believer and it looks like we are both believers in what we claim to be true

Debbie,

When you come to the realization as to why you do not believe in Zeus, Odon, Thor, Quetzalcoatl, etc... then you will understand why WE do not believe in YOUR god.

For the record, your non-belief in the above gods makes you an Atheist as well, we simply believe in one less god than you.

Like Septos said, it makes a great shopping list.

Anybody here belong to The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence? I suspect that is one that Peter missed for himself.

Alex?

Maybe as a group we cover them all. Sorry, I'm not holding up my end. I don't even belong to any equivalent Canadian organisations.

LOL Fun cartoons.

So Karen, why are you dissing Isis?

You got to be careful when disparaging someone else's imaginary friends.

My favorite imaginary friend is Harvey, unfortunately, I took my medicine and got over it. That's why I am such an ornery and angry atheist.

If Debbie took her meds, she would be more rational and give up her imaginary friends as well. Take your meds Debbie and get back to us.

Debbie,

If I claimed that the moon was made of blue cheese, and you said, "no it isn't", it would not be up to you to prove me wrong, it would be up to me, the one making the outrageous claim, to prove me right. Understand how that works? Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. No evidence = no belief.

I claim one way as the truth which makes me a believer in that truth and you claim something else as the truth which makes you a believer in that.

are you claiming that there are multiple, mutually exclusive truths?

according to Neoman4426 the burden of proof lies with the believer and it looks like we are both believers in what we claim to be true

no, the burden of proof is on the one who makes a positive claim, because it is impossible to prove a negative. (IE: prove unicorns don't exist)

I'm sure that's what neoman was trying to get at.

Anybody here belong to The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence? I suspect that is one that Peter missed for himself.
Alex?

Uh, no. I have never dressed in drag nor do I ever plan to just because I'm gay.
One hundred percent man here (well actually seventy five percent man since the amputation..hardy har har).

Flying Weasel,

are you claiming that there are multiple, mutually exclusive truths?


No, I know there is only one truth but you believe the truth to be something else. I see proof in God everytime I go outside. When I look at how complex our bodies are and I look at the animals and trees and nature, I find it hard to believe that it all happened by chance.

Deb

Could it be there is some truth to what they preach?

If there were "truth" to what they "preach" then they would not need to preach would they - they would demonstrate.

Where is your evidence that God does not exhist?

Try giving us an operational definition of the words "god" and "exist" and then try showing us how the question "Do gods exist?" is anything but nonsensical.

Alex,

Uh, no. I have never dressed in drag nor do I ever plan to just because I'm gay.

Hell, even I have dressed in drag, and I don't have a gay bone(r) in my body.

I was on a bowling league and they were having a mixed doubles tournament. My buddy and I jokingly asked if we could bowl if one of us dressed up as a female, and they said yes. So, I showed up dressed in drag, and true to their word, they let us bowl.

I was glad that we didn't win, though. I would have felt bad about winning money in what I believe amounts to unfairness. Perhaps the high heeled bowling shoes had something to do with it. LOL

Deb

I find it hard to believe that it all happened by chance.

What does chance have to do with it?

Debbie
Sorry, I was elsewhere for a bit. So many blogs, so little time!

My point was, since you don't believe in the gods I mentioned, can you disprove any of them? No. As others pointed out, the person making the positive claim, i.e., that there IS something there, has the burden of proving that their something is indeed, there.
You make a claim for your god; you must have some reason to think it's really there. What is it? Why is it more valid than any other god. bear in mind that other gods have had tomes written about them, even older than the Bible. Bear in mind that the Bible is laden with stories that are virtual copies of other myths that preceded it in time. Bear in mind that no one has ever been shown to have risen after having been pronounced dead for 3 days. O, and prayer, by study, doesn't work.

So what is your evidence?

Peter
I was not in any way dissing Isis. I love Isis. In fact, by invoking the goddess, I was hoping it would make the feisty dawnisis appear! ;-)

Debbie,

When I look at how complex our bodies are and I look at the animals and trees and nature, I find it hard to believe that it all happened by chance.

It is painfully obvious that you know LESS than nothing about evolution. For Christ' sake, read a biology textbook and then get back to us.

Deb

But I'm just saying I claim one way as the truth which makes me a believer in that truth and you claim something else as the truth which makes you a believer in that.

Your proposition about atheists is false. Atheists do not believe.

Ren

Perhaps the high heeled bowling shoes had something to do with it.

Ha! If you thought the high heeled bowling shoes were bad, you should try the high heeled tennis shoes! Heh...now that's a sight I'd pay to see-you in a skimpy tennis dress and high heeled tennis shoes running for a slam at net! ;-)

Karen,

"My point was, since you don't believe in the gods I mentioned, can you disprove any of them?"

No, I can't disprove them, I just have faith that they did not exhist just like you can't prove my God doesnt exhist so you have faith that he doesn't. Yes I said faith. Faith is believing something without having facts to prove or disprove. Since you nor I can prove God does or does not exhist then we both have faith.

*exist

Karen,

I'll get right on it for you. Photo's to follow shortly. Gotta wait for it to warm up a bit before I venture out in a mini.

Deb

You are incorrect. We do not believe. We do not have faith. Either a theory is good, ie it predicts accurately, or not. No faith or belief is needed to assess whether a theory is good or not. You just do not understand yourself let alone us.

What,

So you say you do not believe? So you don't believe there is no God? You still believe something whether something exists or not. Belief is believing something to be true. You believe that there is no God. That is a belief.

What,

Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch. It would seem phreedm has sprouted boobs and changed his name to Debbie.

I guess we should all just be thankful that Debbie doesn't have an ellipsis feti$h.

Debbie,

Since you nor I can prove God does or does not exist then we both have faith.

One does not need faith to not believe in something. The reality is that there is no evidence of your God, thus the default position is not to believe in it. That doesn't require faith, just as not believing in fairies doesn't require faith.

Faith is only applicable when you believe in a positive assertion for which there is no legitimate reason to believe. So please, don’t apply your misconception of what faith is to us atheists.

And finally, I hope you never end up on a jury. You seem to have difficulty in understanding the concept that one cannot prove a negative. Not being able to prove your God does NOT exist (which is impossible by definition), doesn’t mean it does exist.

Debbie

No, I can't disprove them, I just have faith that they did not exhist just like you can't prove my God doesnt exhist so you have faith that he doesn't. Yes I said faith. Faith is believing something without having facts to prove or disprove. Since you nor I can prove God does or does not exhist then we both have faith.

You have faith they don't exist? Really? So you really wonder if Thor may hit you with a lightning bolt one day, but take it on faith that he won't due to non-existence?
You only have faith that there isn't a god pulling the sun across the sky every day?
You only take it on faith that sacrificing virgins on top of the temple is no longer necessary?

Your definition was half right. Faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof. (Merriam Webster) No disproof is involved. Disproof is anathema to faith.

I do not have a belief in something that is not there. I disbelieve your claim that something is there. There is no faith in disbelief. Disbelief is an act of reason, not faith.

Debbie,

So you believe there are no unicorns, or do you not believe in unicorns?

You believe there is no bigfoot, or do you not believe in bigfoot?

You believe there are no UFOs, or do you not believe in UFOs?

See a pattern forming here?

Deb

You are wrong again. You make a lot of assumptions. I don't "believe that there is no god". I, nor anybody else, has ever been able to give an operational definition of the terms "god" and "exist" that does not make the question "Do gods exist?" nonsensical (ie ill-posed). What value is there to giving an answer to a nonsensical question?

You have to have "faith" to not believe in unicorns, Ren. You know that - Debbie said so.

What,

I'm guessing the operational definition angle is WAY over Debbie's head — though I suspect you know that. : )

DVan,

Well suck me dry and call me dusty. I BELIEVE you are right!

Well suck me dry and call me dusty.

I used to have a girlfriend who called me Dusty...

Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of fools. Ecclesiastes 7:9

Neat.

I used to have a girlfriend who called me Dusty...

Lucky bastard! No, wait: Braggart!

Jordan,

Tell that to William Donohue. He always looks like he's on the verge of an anger induced aneurysm.

"Eat your god damned vegetables," Mom, 1977.

Tell that to William Donohue. He always looks like he's on the verge of an anger induced aneurysm.

Ya, he does. Maybe he has a blood pressure issue, and because of his medication, he has "E.D.".

That would piss me off too.

Or maybe he just hates the world — like his God.

Jordan

"The FSM couldn't deal with all the complaining down on earth, so the Lord FSM commanded the midget, saying, "Here's an idea...why don't you collect the semolina, rice, and what-have-you, and make pasta in my image. That's what it's there for. And fill your mouth with it and be quiet and peaceful."

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster: The Olive Garden of Eden 72:10-14

DVan,

Speaking of E.D. (far be it for me to derail a thread) why is it okay to show commercials for E.D., all day and all night, but condom commercials are strictly verboten?

I smell somebody pushing their morality down our throats and their initials are FCC.

Speaking of E.D. (far be it for me to derail a thread) why is it okay to show commercials for E.D., all day and all night, but condom commercials are strictly verboten?

Because the drugs are for married folk with ED. Condoms are for unmarried folk who just want to have dirty sex.

There's always a loophole.

Yup. And it's hypocritical... allowing promotion of meds for getting erections but not allowing promotion of sex protection products? WTF?

Because the drugs are for married folk with ED

Ah...I see. I didn't realize any of the coupled portrayed in those E.D. commercials we married. I just thought they were about older guys with money being able to nail younger woman.

coupled = couples

I AM ANTI-VATICAN and I DEMAND to be added to this list!

You have to go to a rave in the Egyptian desert to meet Isis. But, then again, you can never know for certain if it's a hallucination of a cactus or not until you hug it.

http://www.answers.com/topic/isis-png-1

DVW,

As long as the erection is used on your wife.

Jordan,

As long as the erection is used on your wife.

Tell that to Rush Limpballs. He's not married, yet he was caught with a prescription of V1agra, in somebody else's name, coming into Miami International Airport from the Carribean. Hmmmm, wonder what he needed that for down there?

http://tinyurl.com/q3p8b

Debbie,

You finally got it, though you didn't believe it:

So you don't believe there is no God?

Yes, this is exactly true.

"Does God exist?" is not a meaningful question since no two people on earth have the same idea of who this God character is.

It's like asking "Is Dad alive?" and then not making note of who's father we're talking about.

If you define God and list some of its properties then we can get down to the business of positively disbelieving in your personal God.

And please don't say you believe in the God defined in the Bible, there are too many contradictions to come to a single conclusion about the nature of God from reading only the Bible. You have to actively ignore large parts of the Bible unless you don't mind a God with multiple personality disorder.

In my experience, this is the #1 most common misconception about atheists. You've defined "atheist" in the same way we would define "strong atheist." The vast majority (in my experience) of atheists are weak atheists.

Look up the difference between the two here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_and_strong_atheism

I personally do not know anyone who would identify themselves as a strong atheist. At this blog I can think of only 1 poster I think would call themselves a strong atheist (BobC, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

When you use the term "atheist" you should be talking about both strong and weak atheists. That's the generic form of atheism.

The only possible argument against generic atheism is evidence that a deity exists. Until you can provide that, you're never going to get anywhere.

Although Rush is a very smart guy, I think he is wrong for having sex before marriage.

Sex with Rush? EEEEEWWWWWW!!!!!

As long as the erection is used on your wife.

Just to be clear here, Jordan, you're speaking of DVanW's erection and DVanW's wife? Not somebody else's erection and DVaNW's wife. Cos I know you're into the Bible and that book has some funky shit in it, I mean to tell ya.

Karen,

I agree that sex with Rush does not sound appealing but I meant a man should have sex with his wife, nobody elses.

jordan:

why is it wrong to have sex before marriage?

Ren

It would seem phreedm has sprouted boobs and changed his name to Debbie.

Nut'n new. I have always considered him a boob and deadbeat. ;-)

FlyingWeasel,

It's wrong to have sex before marriage for the same reason it's wrong to test drive a car before buying.

Jordan,

As long as the erection is used on your wife.

Hey, wait a second! Who is using their erection on my wife?

alatham,

It's wrong to have sex before marriage for the same reason it's wrong to test drive a car before buying.

Exactly. It's immoral to know what it is you're getting before you buy it.

FlyingWeasel, you should know this already. Like Jordan.

Exactly. It's immoral to know what it is you're getting before you buy it.

Like most things in life that require huge amounts of time and money, it's moral to just want to jump right in there and make the big commitments without any thoughts or goals whatsoever.

Jordan,

Just to clarify... I'm not sure what your comment about erections being only used on wives has to do with the commercials for E.D. meds being allowed to air at all hours of the day while ads for condoms are not.

You are aware that millions of married couples in this country routinely use condoms as a means of birth control (among other reasons) aren't you? Or do you also disapprove of married couples having sex without the intention of producing little clones of themselves? Are you aware that men who are not married also routinely use E.D. meds? So why should condoms not be allowed the same time slots as E.D. medications? Was that your point?

Like most things in life that require huge amounts of time and money, it's moral to just want to jump right in there and make the big commitments without any thoughts or goals whatsoever.

See FlyingWeasel, others have it figured out too. ; )

Jordan,

Although Rush is a very smart guy...

HAHAHAHAH!!!! Good one.

alatham speculated,

I personally do not know anyone who would identify themselves as a strong atheist. At this blog I can think of only 1 poster I think would call themselves a strong atheist (BobC, someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Wrong.

Do you know there isn't a fish that makes the wind blow? Do you know there isn't a dragonfly that makes it snow? Do you know there isn't jumping beans that make your heart beat?

I know that all religions that have been presented are without merit because it is obvious that the deities are human creations as in, a work of fiction. I can write without reservation that all god-ideas only exist in the minds of each person that believes them singly, that is, the same god-idea is not completely shared by any two people.

The fact that there is no evidence that any true god-idea exists is not a full stop. The fact that everything, when all evidence and causes are known, reveals natural causes, can legitimately be used as supporting information when confronted with a question that has no basis.

When an answer to a problem is needed with absolute accuracy, it is correct to insure that where absolute accuracy is not possible, the discrepancy is noted. However, to wonder if some all intelligent thing might have at some long ago time, pushed some energy button of some sort is not noteworthy. The wondering only leads to where did the all intelligent thing come from and why did the all intelligent thing fuck up so badly. It is a worthless pursuit that only leads to a confused population of otherwise potentially thoughtful people. However, it is fine if some want to think about such things, as it is fine to think about an endless number of universes but, it isn't justifiable to base any actions on those thoughts and it isn't justifiable to have people mucking around in policy based on god-idea drivel.

The Christian God is a fantasy and a disgusting fantasy indeed it is.

*** Warning, on-topic paragraph ***
I'm not anti-Catholic, the problem is there are no absolutely true Catholics, just Cat-o-lickers. What is the message they are trying to send this time anyway, maybe that everyone should create a complete outline of every time they could ever have felt offended in any way?

No doubt, No God.
Suck it, jesus :)

I belong to most of the activist organizations listed there. Do you? Kinda makes me really proud to see my efforts so appreciated

Yep...great group to support Peter.

Chicago, IL — In an address at the Nation of Islam's flagship mosque, Nation leader Louis Farrakhan said that the "Roman Church" is "the mother of White Supremacy," does not represent Jesus and uses Jesus' good name to shield its dirty practices.

Dido rna2dna

I'm not into placing adjectives in front of the word atheist....

atheist = no god

however I can knock out a bunch of Army Push Ups...would that make me a strong atheist

phreedum,
We all know how credible louis farrakhan is.

This was my favorite...LMAO:

New York, NY — The play "Mary, Like a Virgin: a Divine Musical Experience" opened at Dillon's Lounge. A transv$stite played the Blessed Mother, whose character reveals, among other things, the "sometimes hazy details of her relationship with God" and "her struggle with eating disorders."

The Catholic League needs to scour the international scene. In Mexico, there is a performance artist aptly named Jesusa Rodriguez who concocts the most amazing parodies of the church. Jesusa never cries "persecution" when faced with a lynching mob of frothy true-believers...she just goes about her business, dressing up as the pope, a transv$stite jesus, etc. And all of this as a LE@BIAN in a country of Super-Catholic-Machos... Bill Donohue should take note.
Very funny stuff; her bio. Yes, she's Mexican. Yes, she bathes (or so I've heard). She may have infectious diseases because she's a le@bian...LMAO:
http://www.elhabito.com.mx/jesusa_bio.html

Charlie,

however I can knock out a bunch of Army Push Ups...would that make me a strong atheist

Why yes. I do believe that would make you a strong Atheist. Don't forget to switch things up by doing wide-arm and diamond push-ups, so you can work your various muscle groups.

I've always thought that ex-Catholics make the best anti-Catholics. It seems like a surprising number of people who were raised Catholic actually grew up to resent the church and its teachings. That and the pedophilia.

"You have to go to a rave in the Egyptian desert to meet Isis. But, then again, you can never know for certain if it's a hallucination of a cactus or not until you hug it."

"You have to actively ignore large parts of the Bible unless you don't mind a God with multiple personality disorder."

I'm going to add these to my little cache o' quotes if you dont' mind.

I saw Eddie Izzard last weekend and he was in awesome form ranting in his very unique perceptive way on religion and intelligent design. Gotta luv his mind. He's absolutely fabulous!

Anyway, I checked out the religious website but I just couldn't actualy read through all their drivel. Although I did click on the art section and a critcs review of one play seemed spot on to me about religion... he said that it set a dark tone accusing that religion is sexually repressive and humiliating to women. But that's all true though! Religion is all that and a whole worse more!

And from my perspective, anyone who "thinks" that our world and all in it just couldn't "happen" by "chance" and so their must be a "god". Well in the words of Lewis Black--- "These people are stone cold fuck crazy. They're looking at the Flintstones like it's a documentary!"

And there are ed ads on tv and none for condoms for the same reason the pope praises the little blue pill but condemns all measures of birth control. If women have sex, then they must be forced to have children as nothing should stop more kids from being born into or converted to christianity (or whatever other stupid religion). Unfortunatley there are those who activly push for us to return to the 12th century. They are the same people who don't know the difference between a theory and a scientific theory!

I'm going to add these to my little cache o' quotes if you dont' mind.

Yeah, I really should make a database of the wise things I say and then quote myself later.

Maybe I could write a book based on my own blog entries some day.

the catholic church could save itself alot of headache by letting priests marry.it hasn't hurt orthodox christians or protestants or jews,muslims for their clergy to marry.now i'm not a bible expert but my reading of it is go out get married and you and spouse enjoy each others bodies.the bible seems pretty clear women are here for sex and cooking,cleaning, kind of like two legged mules.

now that i have offended women let me work on the gays.why do gays use the excuse i was born that way nobody cares how you were born just obey us heterosexual men we are better than you morally speaking that is.
next week for barbiebrains i will do a special on mexicans.saltwater v freshwater wetbacks.

for the literal minded i am just making fun of the always ready to be offended groups like the catholic league.i really don't hate gays i do respect women and i have good friends who are mexican even catholic friends.
maybe the catholic league should look at their catholic brothers/sisters who are too busy helping their fellow humans to be offened.

Having a database of myself is fun ....

The Bible can be used to teach anything you want it to, you've just got to use your imagination a little.

rna2dna

I appreciate your last post. It's similar to what I might have said years ago. But in order to make clear my perspective (I think Alatham, in part, shares this perspective) clear I would like to ask you to give an operational definition of "gods" and "exist".

FlyingWeasel,

I was quoting someone when I said the thing about the burden of proof (can't remember who) but you are right in saying "no, the burden of proof is on the one who makes a positive claim, because it is impossible to prove a negative. (IE: prove unicorns don't exist)"
is what I was getting at.

I live in Va and I believe the Catholics of the xtianic religions. I think the catholics are more likely to accept science than any other. They seem to be more rational and baptists. I think it's the evangelicals and baptists that deserve more focus personally. Getting tax free money out of their hands should be the main focus in my opinion, because they have wealth of brainwashing with all that easy illegal money.

Interesting news article from this week about a best selling holocaust autobiography that is a hoax:

http://tinyurl.com/2d2dre

Remember Elie Wiesel's book "Night" about his experiences in the holocaust? Much of that book was fabricated as well. Interesting that Oprah would drag James Fry back onto her show to apologize for his fake autobiography of drug use but not Mr Wiesel when both authors were featured on her show. Why is it that jewish suffering is untouchable even when it's pure fiction?

Alex

Well don't wait for Oprah. Raise a fuss! You're right, nobody should be able to get away with that.

What,

I appreciate your last post. Its similar to what I might have said years ago. But in order to make clear my perspective (I think Ren, in part, shares this perspective) clear(???) I would like to ask you to give a context in which you would like an operational definition of "gods" and "exist".

Actually your comment was quite good, it is vague enough to have endless multiple meanings. You must be studying one of the bibels or reading too many of the comments by troll.

OK, maybe this isn't correct but, I will guess at your intent:
You acknowledge that my prior post in this thread isn't completely christian (as in insane), however you think, it isn't a valid position to hold over an extended period if the nature of the problem is fully understood. You add at the end that you want to be clear that you think I am full of shit. Also, you are not willing to reveal your wisdom until I can specify the exact nature and type of shit that I am full of.

Cool :)

rna2dna,

(I think Ren, in part, shares this perspective)

For the life of me, I have no idea what you are talking about. If you would be so kind to spell it out for me, (I'm a little slow @ times) I will be happy to tell you if I share What's perspective, or not.

Ren,

No, not you, it is me that is a little slow and confused (replace Ren with Charlie, you were agreeing with him not me, sorry).

Actually, I'm just trying to tease a little more information out of What, concerning his response to me, no harm intended.

rna2dna,

No harm, no foul! Carry on :-)

It would be really funny if aliens abucted the Pope and then anal probed him.

I think someone has been watching a little too much South Park.

I think someone has been watching a little too much South Park.

Mexican stinky balls! Titty sprinkles! Donkey boner! Piss out my ass!

Alex,

Piss out my ass!

I had that last week! It's flu season, you know. Bad stuff, that pissing out your ass. LOL

Ren,
I feel your pain, it took me weeks to get rid of my case of the titty sprinkles.

Alex,

ROFLMAO!

Do you Alex? Do you feel my pain? Did you have blood on your tissue from wiping your titty sprinkles every half hour for three days? Hmmm? HMMM?

I could have filled a gallon jug with the sprinkles being expressed from my titties. Male lactation syndrome is no laughing matter. Erm...actually yes it is.

Why yes. Yes it is.

OT: Have any of you seen this cartoon/graphic?

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m181/slinky250/helpoppressed.gif

This says it all! So clever. I love the animation, too.

what
i have to take back calling lincoln and ape the other day. i read in the paper that he wanted to buy the slaves freedom as a way to end the war.now will the media still belittle ron paul for openly wishing that had been the course taken.yes because they support the status quo candidates clinton,obama,mccain.
vote paul lets take this republic back from the oligarchs.

Anti-Catholic activist organizations should set their goals higher. They should set up to attack and dismantle all of the world's religions, not just catholicism.

rna2dna

OK, maybe this isn't correct but, I will guess at your intent:

Why not just ask if you are confused about my intent?

You acknowledge that my prior post in this thread isn't completely christian (as in insane),

Christian? Where did that come from? I was sincerely letting you know that I would have once taken your position as a strong atheist. I think I am an even stronger atheist now but a different type of strong.

You add at the end that you want to be clear that you think I am full of shit.

Huh? Said nothing of the sort.

Also, you are not willing to reveal your wisdom until I can specify the exact nature and type of shit that I am full of.

I am merely asking you to define the words that you are using. That is all. It is my position that if you do you will find that the "Do gawds exist?" question is meaningless.

The greatest harm that theists have done is not in the answering of that question in the affirmative but rather legitimizing the question at all!

I think someone has been watching a little too much South Park.

Stan: Oh $hit! It's Jesus!

Cartman: EH! gawddamnit you stepped on my foot you pigfcuker!

Stan: Dude! Dont say pigfcuker in front of Jesus!

What,

I think you're right that we see eye to eye on the nature of deities. I totally agree with this statement:

The greatest harm that theists have done is not in the answering of that question in the affirmative but rather legitimizing the question at all!

One of my biggest problems with Strong Atheism is that it is an open door for semantic arguments, which are lame. If I defined my god to be the Sun, could anyone tell me my god does not exist?

Remember that one of the definitions of God is "One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed."

Weak Atheism places the burden of proof squarely on the shoulders of the believer. Strong Atheism does not.

Remember that one of the definitions of God is "One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed."

Oh my goodness; I AM GOD! (At least in the eyes of my children) ;-)

Now how did I screw that up? So much for my divinity!

Ren

LOL

I may be a "weak" atheist, but I strongly stand behind this quote:

Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.
Emile Zola

Alatham

One of my biggest problems with Strong Atheism is that it is an open door for semantic arguments, which are lame. If I defined my god to be the Sun, could anyone tell me my god does not exist?

Exactly. But most theists, as we here are aware, would not dare give an actual operational definition of "gawd" that would resemble an operational definition of the Sun. Instead they give a non-operational definition of the word "gawds" and then, somewhat aware of the uselessness of their definition in connection with the question, they then fumble about for a new non-operational definition of the word "exist". What a waste of time!