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I live in St. Louis, MO. I'm pretty sure we're the teen STD capitol of the country. I'll have to double check my facts. I'm an 8th grade teacher and I can definitely support Cecile Richards quote. The abstinence-only program is NOT working!

Peter
BTMFs? Is the first part Bible Thumping? Because I think I got the second part.

No, abstinence doesn't work. It didn't even work for Mary, fer chrissakes. And kids today have the crazy idea that oral sex isn't sex, but no one told the STDs that.

It didn't even work for Mary, fer chrissakes

LOL!!!

I've got no problem with promoting abstinance, none whatsoever.

hell, I'm glad I abstained as long as I did.

but if you're gonna promote only abstinance you might as well keep trying to tell the kids they came from a cabbage patch.

Comment from: karen

And kids today have the crazy idea that oral sex isn't sex, but no one told the STDs that.

No....Bill Clinton told the kids it wasn't sex

Buybull Thumping Mofos! I like it a lot...

No....Bill Clinton told the kids it wasn't sex.

And the Clenis Corollary to Godwin's Law is reached in only four comments!

But, but - phreakshow, Saint Ronnie Ray-Gun was raping girls forty years before the last legally elected president of the US was serving, and Ray-Gun was also getting blow jobs from his adulterous girlfriend twenty years before he was installed into the White House! Funny how your (Now) Sixteen Year Hate blinds you to the immoralities of your fellow religiously insane hypocrites...

Too bad Ronnie couldn't remember anything about it by the time the Republican't media got around to looking into that...

Seems gov't school sex ed isn't working.

Peter...you're such a putz...

You know there's an unwritten rule in life. If someone attempts to build themselves up by tearing another down...beware.

Yeah, yeah, Planned Parenthood is another partner with AA, so I'm sure this announcement is in concert with one of the many emails they send AA headquarters...

So, we have a report that states 1 out of every 4 young women have an STD. And suddenly Planned Parenthood has a press release stating "the national policy of promoting abstinence-only programs is a $1.5 billion failure"...

And no one says....huh?

Of course they're going to be the first one's out of the blocks pointing fingers. I mean after all...that 1.5 billion should have gone to them.

How much did Planned Parenthood make from tax dollars?

For 2005-2006, Planned Parenthood reported the following income amounts:

Planned Parenthood / 2005-2006
Clinic income $345.1 million
Taxpayer dollars 305.3 million
Donations 212.2 million
Other 40.2 million

Total income 902.8 million
Total expenses 847.0 million

Profit $55.8 million

This compares to the following numbers reported for 2004-2005:

Planned Parenthood / 2004-2005
Clinic income $346.8 million
Taxpayer dollars 272.7 million
Donations 215.8 million
Other 46.7 million

Total income 882.0 million
Total expenses 819.0 million

Profit $63.0 million

Total income went up 2.4 percent, passing $900 million for the first time.

The organization continued to make a hefty profit of $55 million, bringing its total profits since 1987 to $656.8 million.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/index.htm

Of course you didn't mention the fact that...

A study by CDC’s Sherry L. Farr and colleagues found that while the majority of sexually active 15- to-24 year-old young women (82 percent) receive contraceptive or STD/HIV services

So even with 82% using either contraceptives or receiving STD/HIV services, 1 our of 4 young women STILL came down with STD's.

And you call abstinence-only programs a failure...

Tom...

You're rants are a riot...

Here...learn something. Read Mark Tucker's letter...

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/marc_tucker/

Phreedm, I am a junior in high school and can easily claim that sex as a no-no is a complete failure. We have seventh graders pregnant, and the preachers remain quiet on any real program for prevention. My kindergarden class had about 150. It is now down to 90. Claiming that planned parenthood is 100% effective is wrong; yet it is still better than any other rates, such as wait until 21. Most pregnant teenagers or the fathers will never graduate, much less attend college. I doubt that you have a clear idea of exactly how incredibly stupid abstinence is: you can't simply tell people its bad, you have to accept that it will happen and take steps to prevent it from screwing up peoples lives. I challenge you to name one person who waited until marriage, and you can't use jesus because he would have been sleeping with Mary Magdeline, as she is said to have shown her hair to jesus, which would have been against the law of israel in biblical times (the equivalent nowdays would have been for her to give him a lapdance). So please, give examples that no big-boy feelings until 21 makes sense.

Unless I missed something in the letter, it is completely unrelated to what were discussing. Standardized testing under Clinton = Bad, yet standardized testing under Bush (no child taught anything) = good? I must of missed something

Those are the exact same percentages they told me when I was in high school 8 years ago. I guess this confirms it!? Thank goodness for online p#rnogr#phy then, because nobody can get an STD from watching that.

Let's see what happens when we don't cut the quote off in the middle:

A study by CDC’s Sherry L. Farr and colleagues found that while the majority of sexually active 15- to-24 year-old young women (82 percent) receive contraceptive or STD/HIV services, few receive both (39 percent). In addition, only 38 percent of a subset of young women who reported receiving contraceptive services associated with unprotected sex (e.g., pregnancy testing) also received STD/HIV counseling, testing or treatment, which indicates that many women at high risk are not receiving necessary prevention services.

Hmmmmm. Quote-mining a partial statement for bias effect? Who would stoop to such a low-down dirty trick?

Phreedum, please don't try to derail this blog posting, but regarding ...

No....Bill Clinton told the kids it wasn't sex

... er, at least regaurding Hillary Clinton:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/us/politics/07clinton-text.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1205064810-Sy81ahWnO58jExXPJ0lG/g

Irony alert:

Comment from: phreedm [Member]

You know there's an unwritten rule in life. If someone attempts to build themselves up by tearing another down...beware.

Yeah, yeah, Planned Parenthood is another partner with AA, so I'm sure this announcement is in concert with one of the many emails they send AA headquarters...

phreakshow admonishes the author of the post about people building themselves up by tearing others down - and then proceeds to build up its argument by tearing the poster down.

Its distortions of sexual statistics in some additional comments only add to the ever growing list of falsehoods fervently believed by this cultist when he tries to spin his faith based 'facts' in rational circles.

Nice to see you finally acknowledged me from your lofty perch in between pontifications, phreakshow. After exhibiting, many, many comments threads ago (the last time you deigned to notice me) the very traits you critique by referring to my comments as elitist while spewing your elitist christian dreck. Ahhh, there's nothing like the smell of religiously insane hypocrisy in the evening...

Suck it, jeebus phreak!

Interesting that almost HALF (forty eight percent) of black girls have an STD compared to twenty percent of white girls.

Oh, yeah - phreakshow, your sermonse same old christian distortions, hypocrisy, immorality, and abuse of a perfectly good concept like spirituality in order to further your cause. Go find something to read yourself, instead of detailing out your next lesson in sundaze schule to the kiddies. Stop peddling your tired old occult superstitious nonsense around a blog devoted to rational thought. You distract from the discussion at hand constantly and look for clever word games so that you can convince yourself that you've saved us.

Go Cheney yourself and your suggestions. Try and add to the discussion in a respectful manner that is pertinent to the non-religious nature of the group. And think about all of the tithes, taxes, tax free havens, and other monetary abuses of the many religious organizations over the years before you dare pull stats out of your buttocks to discredit a good organization trying to do a difficult job such as planned parenthood.

You hypocritical religiously insane putsch felllating republican't troll.

Funny how Debbie disappeared and now the Phreakshow rears it's ugly head after a brief (but unbelievably enjoyable) silence, and vice-versa.

Are you a hermaphrodite, phreakshow? Maybe have multiple personalities?


We all know that abstinence only programs don't work. Why was it that all us high school boys wanted to date the girls from the catlick school?

canada1989

Wow, that is quite a load you dropped on our doorstep.

A truly atheistic world would only harm men. When all mankind beliefs that they control their own will, and nothing stops them, then chaos will ensue. All will dream of a better life, all will want their needs and wants fulfilled, all will demand that these needs and wants be fulfilled. They will never be quenched or satisfied, and will use those who believe that God will save them as pawns in their power struggle

This is the tired argument that the atheist has no morals because he has no god belief, which is simply not true. Find another horse to beat, please. Plus, you contradict yourself. You say all people are atheistic in this world, then say some use the god believers as pawns. There shouldn't be any believers left "When all mankind beliefs[sic] that they control their own will".

Unlike you, I would not use a god to further my own wants and needs, so don't project your shortcomings onto others.

can the belief in atheism,

There is no belief in atheism. Atheism describes a non-belief in any gods. It is not a belief system. It is not a religion. Atheism is a word; Ameaning not or non, and theismmeaning belief in deities.

Who was the author of your quotes?

I checked - all the quotes listed by the 19-yr old canuck are by Napoleon. I guess he's got us - I mean, who are argue with a 5-foot tell dead Frenchman?

Canada

And the criticisms are from the weak of you who are unknown, identified only by a series of letters made to form a word. NOTHING MORE.

Speak for yourself loser.

Weird.

I don't suppose I can blame that one on the huge amount of American television that Canadian kids watch, can I?

I couldn't get past his first line so I don't know what to make of it all. Some kind of village idiot, I'm guessing.

Comment from: alexatheist [Member]
Interesting that almost HALF (forty eight percent) of black girls have an STD compared to twenty percent of white girls.

Ummm...whats your point Alex? Ohh hold on....I get it. Blacks are inherently inferior to whites, being, as they are, infested with all sorts of STDs.

Can anyone else believe that a gay man said this?? WOW.

What the adolescents need is real sex ed. Schools in European countries give real information about human biology. In Paris, the science museum has an exhibition on sexuality directed at kids.

http://www.cite-sciences.fr/francais/ala_cite/expositions/zizi-sexuel/

From its press release it says,

"Zizi l'expo equally allows instilling citizenship values such as respect for others and ones-self, mutual consent, tolerance, and equality which applies in love as elsewhere."

Schools organize class visits for elementary and junior high pupils.

American kids need to rely on things like The Midwest Teen Sex Show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHg08TaCx_4&feature=related

This is a news report, but be sure to see all the episodes.

Wow...what's the date?

Karen responded to one of my posts...!!!

It appears those New Year Resolutions are as much of a failure as controlling teenage sex...

And thanks for taking the bait...

Adding the last half of the quote does nothing to challenge the point I was making...

I knew someone would, I just didn't think it would be you...

Not only is sex education failing in the public schools, it's obvious education in general is failing...


Comment from: Augustine

Phreedm, I am a junior in high school and can easily claim that sex as a no-no is a complete failure.

You're missing the point entirely. Making such an absolute statement might be true in your immediate circle of friends, but there are plenty of teens who have the intelligence and will power to wait.

We have seventh graders pregnant, and the preachers remain quiet on any real program for prevention.

Claiming that planned parenthood is 100% effective is wrong

Exactly what plan should the preachers discuss that would be effective if by your own words, even Planned Parenthoods approach is not working?

Most pregnant teenagers or the fathers will never graduate, much less attend college

Agreed.

I doubt that you have a clear idea of exactly how incredibly stupid abstinence is: you can't simply tell people its bad, you have to accept that it will happen and take steps to prevent it from screwing up peoples lives.

Again. Read my comments. The original thread is presented as telling us that abstinence programs are complete failures and only Planned Parenthood has the answers.
Yet, as the study cited plus you own words prove it wrong...

I challenge you to name one person who waited until marriage

Great question. And in 2 minutes of counting, I've come up with about 12 young adults. Simply because you've taken the plunge doesn't mean all have.

In a perfect world, the only way to prevent STD's would be to wait until marriage and to remain faithful in marriage. STD's and unwanted pregnancies can destroy a young persons future.

Wow...now where have I heard that teaching?

Comment from: alexatheist

Interesting that almost HALF (forty eight percent) of black girls have an STD compared to twenty percent of white girls.

I caught that too. A very sad statistic. And I'm assuming most live within the inner cities of America. One more reason to allow these kids to escape failing schools...

But organizations such as AA prevent this from becoming a reality because they are forcing their minority views upon the majority...

(A truly atheistic world would only harm men. When all mankind beliefs that they control their own will, and nothing stops them, then chaos will ensue. All will dream of a better life, all will want their needs and wants fulfilled, all will demand that these needs and wants be fulfilled.)


Did i mess something? Is it wrong to dream of a better life?Is it wrong to have wants and have needs?and demand that these need be be fullfilled is that not what (you) are doing when you pray?

Comment from: Danger

Ummm...whats your point Alex? Ohh hold on....I get it. Blacks are inherently inferior to whites, being, as they are, infested with all sorts of STDs.

Can anyone else believe that a gay man said this?? WOW.

Danger...you're the real bigot..

While Alex and I disagree on almost everything, I respect his honestly and sincerity when posting.

He merely quoted the article. Why didn't you question why the original author made that claim?

Get a grip and at least try to understand where someone's coming from...

wow I cant belive im going to say this but here goes I AGREE WITH phreedm why did they put in the article?

I challenge you to name one person who waited until marriage

in 2 minutes of counting, I've come up with about 12 young adults.

You're missing the point entirely. Making such an absolute statement might be true in your immediate circle of friends.

Comment from: phreedm [Member]

You're missing the point entirely. Making such an absolute statement might be true in your immediate circle of friends, but there are plenty of teens who have the intelligence and will power to wait.

Ironic how the clueless moron who misses pretty much every point made to it feels it is entitled to make judgements about what other people are saying. Did your gawd magically appear in your melon and force you to spew this garbage?

So let's just let all the filthy strumpets who can't keep their legs crossed die of STD's, because the Republican't government won't let them discuss anything but abstinence-only. A real winner of a strategery there, phreakshow. And such a good use of taxpayer dollars! Funny how you don't point out the gubmint cheese wasted on religious boondoggles like this, but can slough off some righteous indignation about planned parenthood spending a couple of dollars in a manner that you don't approve of...

Maybe we can just pray away any STD's or cancer that the immoral s!uts get from their adulterous behavior. As long as they acknowledge the Invisible Sky Fairy as the one trew gawd, make the appropriate offerings, and agree to let patronizing religiously insane bigots like phreakshow tell them how to live their lives.

Suck it, jeebus phreak!

Danger

Can anyone else believe that a gay man said this?? WOW.

All I did was repeat the findings of this report so please don't shoot the messenger or put words in my mouth. Don't *YOU* find it interesting that black girls are over two times more likely than white girls to have veneral disease? I sure do and as a person who is always asking questions I would like to know why.
And what does my sexual orientation have to do with me seeing the world as it is rather than as we wish it to be? Gay doesn't mean that I'm a brainwashed multiculturalist, it just means that I'm into men.

canada1989,

Can you truly call yourself an atheist?
Have you ever used God for hope, for guidance, for help?

I can and do truly call myself and atheist. I have never used God for anything. I have had no need to, and am perfectly content this way.

The funny thing is, there's no reason to believe you have used God either. You've merely used your belief in God to give you all those things you've listed.

If you can provide evidence of the existence of your God then I will gladly retract that statement and convert to your religion. There is no pride in my atheism only a complete lack of evidence to the contrary.

The Chapel Hill police finally caught a suspect in the slaying of our student body president! and shock of shocks he was a young black man from Durham. As soon as this story broke last Wednesday I turned to my friend and said "Do you want to bet that the murderer was a black kid from Durham?" so either A) I am psychic, or B) there is such a pattern of crime commited by young black males from Durham that I was able to predict this a week before the suspect was caught. Which do you think it is?
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2561551/

Comment from: alexatheist [Member]

And what does my sexual orientation have to do with me seeing the world as it is rather than as we wish it to be? Gay doesn't mean that I'm a brainwashed multiculturalist, it just means that I'm into men.

Ah - but, according to the pagan occult christianist superstitionists, if your sexual orientation does not meet with their approval, in their eyes you are a brainwashed multiculturalist. Just like, in their eyes, anyone who does not worship at the feet of the illegally installed drunken cokeheaded deserter is a socia!ist commie pinko fag junkie.

I am a bit disturbed by your racial remarks, though. They sound an awful lot like the current theocratic blatherings about teh gayz - IMHO, the theocrats took their sexist and racist religiously insane rants, substituted the term 'homosexual' for the previously used 'blacks' and/or 'women' in their old screeds, and released it as if it was a new and exciting revelation from owwer lawd gawd and savvier.

The fact that blacks are more likely to be poor and unable to get contraceptive or gynecological care/advice might have something to do with more of them getting STDs too, you know...

The original thread is presented as telling us that abstinence programs are complete failures and only Planned Parenthood has the answers.

No, jackass, it did not claim only PP has the answers. How the hell do you function in life being so biased?

In a perfect world, the only way to prevent STD's would be to wait until marriage and to remain faithful in marriage. STD's and unwanted pregnancies can destroy a young persons future.

whoa whoa whoa there crazy person.

the only reason to wait untill marriage is to avoid std's and unwanted pregnancies. you're really putting the horse before the cart.

in a perfect world there wouldn't BE any std's or unwanted pregnancies.

because std's and unwanted pregnancies can destroy a young persons future.

erm... cart before the horse.

sorry, burst a blood vessel in my eye, very distracting.

In a perfect world, the only way to prevent STD's would be to wait until marriage and to remain faithful in marriage. STD's and unwanted pregnancies can destroy a young persons future.

In a perfect world, everything would be sunshine and roses, everyone would have a pony, and nobody would ever make major decisions solely based on economic factors. And religiously insane idiots who think that the only way that STDs and unwanted pregnancies can be stopped is if everyone buys into their occult superstitions would be mocked relentlessly on every major broadcast network whenever they dared to spew their religiously insane bile.

I WANT MY PONY!

Hey religious-abstinence-promoting-phreaks:

Don't want automobile deaths? Abstain from driving.

Don't want food poisoning? Abstain from eating.

Don't want Montezuma's revenge? Abstain from drinking water.

Don't want to slip and fall? Abstain from standing upright and walking.

Don't want the common cold? Abstain from associating with people.

It's all so simple!

If we get a perfect world, does someone want my pony? I only want cats.

mxracer,

you told phreedm:

No, jackass, it did not claim only PP has the answers. How the hell do you function in life being so biased?

"Function" being loosely defined in this sense, right?

In a perfect world, the only way to prevent STD's would be to wait until marriage and to remain faithful in marriage. STD's and unwanted pregnancies can destroy a young persons future.

Can't they just pray-away(TM) the STD??? Jebus said you get what you pray for.

Also, it does seem a bit mean the give them an STD in this life if they are going to spend an eternity in hell anyway.

karen, your cats have you, and you have a pony!

My wife and I are owned by 2 Siamese cats :)

Also, it does seem a bit mean the give them an STD in this life if they are going to spend an eternity in hell anyway.

What's worse than eternity in hell?
Eternity in hell with a rash :)

The fact that blacks are more likely to be poor and unable to get contraceptive or gynecological care/advice

I disagree. PP is available to all women in the rainbow; they do not turn away. Of course it does take initiative to utilize their services. I mean, you actually have to walk through the front door, usually following a short jaunt in the car or on the bus.

PP is in nearly every town, but walking past the door does nothing.

They just charged the suspect with first degree murder here in Chapel Hill and are searching for another suspect. I'll be sleeping better tonight.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2561551/

sword_strike

Silly me. Of COURSE the cats HAVE me. It is my privilege and honor to feed them stroke them and change their litter boxes.

But I still don't want a pony. Anyway, the cats said I can't have one; it would divert my attention.

What,

Don't want the common cold? Abstain from associating with people.

I just saw on the news the other day about a church that is not letting people drink the blood of their zombie lord, from a chalice, because it is cold and flu season.

Geez, I wonder how many parishoners have come down with herpes simplex when it was cold-sore season? You guess the priest goes to offer up the chalice and then sees the blisters on the lips of the next cannibal and pulls it away real fast? How awkward THAT must be!

Ren,

I'd be really surprised if the virus survived in the jesus-ohol. But it would be really disturbing if that were true.

Not only would the church be guilty of ignoring human nature, but they'd also be actively spreading herpes.

The quotes I have used are that of Napoleon Bonaparte, for you reference Karen. You are correct when I contradict myself, but you failed to see the purpose behind the written contradiction. Re-read the sentence and think of what is written, and know that the contradiction is intended to prove my point of both atheists and religious people. Furthermore, Karen, you cannot possibly say that you would not use or manipulate people’s belief in God. It can amaze you what people will do when given the opportunity. I also speak of people who are in a real sense of power, and have, or are close, to grasping it on a large scale (American politicians, as well as Canadian, have and will continue to manipulate religion to their advantage). In continuance, atheism is a belief. It is a belief in which you decide to believe in the non-existent belief of God. True, atheism is a word, but so is KAREN, so is GOD. A word is simply a man made method of describing the world around him. It is simple. You believe that God exists, in whatever form suits you or, you believe that there is no God and only the decisions and will of men.

In response to drchris06: You, my friend, display confidence in your simple, yet ignorant point. “I checked - all the quotes listed by the 19-yr old canuck are by Napoleon. I guess he's got us - I mean, who are argue with a 5-foot tell dead Frenchman.” The first I must say is your use of the word Canuck is wrong. It describes French Canadians, of which I assure you, I am not. Secondly, do not assume my age by deciding that 1989 refers to birth year. Assumptions can cause you a world of problems (a little future advice). Finally, it amazes me that you attempt to insult Napoleon Bonaparte. He was short, true, but he rose to greater heights than an arrogant, and ignorant commoner such as you ever will. His name has survived centuries; yours will not survive your family. I must also say that just because someone is dead, does not mean that they still do not live. He is a hero of a nation, and is one man, of the very few, who is worthy of remembrance. “SO LONG AS WE ARE REMEMBERED, WE YET HOLD ALL THE POWER OF LIFE, IN OUR COLD DEAD HANDS”. Finally, do not respond to me again if you cannot put a sentence together properly, your grammar is reprehensible.

What, you make a valid point. I am no different from you, but I am merely young (You assumed correctly before drchris06). However, being young, the world is open to me. I have already put myself on a path of truth, duty and valour, and intend to make full use of that path to attain all my ambitions.

DD Dropout: As dangerous as assumptions are, I do not doubt the word dropout has a significant meaning for you. It is clear that you are of inferior mind, because your inabilities, ignorance, and laziness are evident. You would dare to call me a village idiot when all you can say about the written work is “weird” and “I couldn't get past his first line so I don't know what to make of it all.” It is clear that you, of course I must assume that you live in a village, are the village idiot.

Alex,

You haven't answered my question!

Why do you find it so "interesting" that black girls have higher rates of STD infection than white girls?

ie what is your point????

I am not disputing the statistics, or your right to selectively quote them. My question is simple....so what??

From your previous posts, it seems clear to me, that you are using this statistic to denegrate black people.
I was simply reminding you that homosexuals are similarly afflicted with higher rates of STDs. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

What would you think of my motives and underlying beliefs if I put up the following post, devoid of any further explanation?

"Anyone else find it interesting that homosexuals have a higher rate of STD infection than heterosexuals?"

I don't give a rats arse where you put your willy, and I don't fear homosexuals in the least. I also don't ascribe any political beliefs or personal attributes to you, becuase you are homosexual. Its just that I find that post (and other by you, which I have commented on and yu have never responded to) to be pretty senseless.

I also find it VERY hippocritical of you to ascribe the violence inflicted by blacks on others as a attribute belonging to that race (for want of a better word), while at the same time bleating on that "oh, just because I am gay, don't attribute me with any of you stereotypes! It just means I like men".

Can you not extend you open-mindedness" to others???

As for phreedumb labelling me a bigot....giggle.

Alex,

Also, I think that we both know there exists just one highy specific genetic marker for violent behaviour...it's called the Y chromosome.

So your phsycic properties are very accurate...it was a MAN!!!

So, tell me again, why do you love men, rather than hate them??

Danger:

From your previous posts, it seems clear to me, that you are using this statistic to denegrate black people.

Oh, I've seen alex use all sorts of statistics to denigrate anyone who isn't white.
He hates the Jews, blacks, Arab immigrants, is a holocaust revisionist, a 9/11 denier & I've seen some pretty hairy shit get flung from his corner.
Yeah, he's got it all figured out, from his little corner of Durham.
Durham ain't the whole world, I might add.
Wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Bell Curve & the Protocols of Zion in his library. Probably both dog-eared & worn, I might imagine.
Bad as Phreddy Phallacymaster, in his own way.

Why do you find it so "interesting" that black girls have higher rates of STD infection than white girls?
ie what is your point????

I find it interesting that there is such a disparity between the rates of STD infection between whites and blacks because it is such a large difference and I would like to know the factors that make this so, wouldn't you? It's a public health crisis after all. I have theories about why black girls are more prone to VD but I would like to see them backed up with some facts so I will be following this study as it develops.

was simply reminding you that homosexuals are similarly afflicted with higher rates of STDs. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

I am all too aware of the rates of HIV among gay men which is why I practice only safe sex to the point of absurdity. However, the difference is that those who die from AIDS made a choice to engage in risky behaviour and those who die a random death at the hands of black thugs did not make a choice to have a bullet put in their head. You might be surprised that I have little sympathy for gay men who contract AIDS through unsafe sex with multiple partners.

Anyone else find it interesting that homosexuals have a higher rate of STD infection than heterosexuals?"

I find it incredibly interesting and I have done my research to know why this is. Mainly it is becasue of the method of transmission and the fact that gay men tend to be more promiscious than straight men and more so than women of all sexual orientations. This is why I take my personal sexual responsibility very seriously and do not close my eyes to the AIDs problem in the gay community.

Can you not extend you open-mindedness" to others???

I live in the real world and I am not so open minded that my brain falls out. What I find to be the most insidious about your politically correct brand of dogma is that it elevates people's feelings above indispuable facts and causes you to ignore or attack facts when they are in direct opposition to your indoctrination. You suffer from a severe case of cognitive dissonance my friend.

So, tell me again, why do you love men, rather than hate them??

Because it is my nature as a gay man to be attracted to other men. This attraction doesn't mean that I ignore the fact that men are more likely to be violent than women which is part of the reason why I am very selective about the company that I keep. I tend to surround myself with people who resemble me in order to help eliminate undesirables from my life. Freedom of association is still guaranteed to American citizens is it not?

KA

He hates the Jews, blacks, Arab immigrants, is a holocaust revisionist, a 9/11 denier & I've seen some pretty hairy shit get flung from his corner.

Don't forget to add the French to your list of those I "hate". Those smelly cheese eating surrender monkeys can suck it. (Actually I don't hate any particular groups of people, just a few individuals.)

Wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Bell Curve & the Protocols of Zion in his library. Probably both dog-eared & worn, I might imagine.

I used to own a copy of the "The Bell Curve" but found it a little bit boring to get through with all of it's graphs and footnotes and I think I gave it away to the local library. I have never read "The Protocols" and never really would be interested in reading it. I have devoured everything written by Norman Finkelstein and Alan Dershowitz though because I like to read all sides to an issue.

Yeah, he's got it all figured out, from his little corner of Durham. Durham ain't the whole world, I might add.

I never claimed to have it ALL figured out but I do think that I have a lot more of the world figured out than the average person does thanks to my life experiences, education, and nonstop reading.
As far as thinking that Durham is the whole world, I would like to remind you that I actually live in Chapel Hill which is about eight miles from Durham and that the USA is the third country on the third continent where I have lived. I'm curious about how much of the world you have experienced?

Comment from: cry4turtles

The fact that blacks are more likely to be poor and unable to get contraceptive or gynecological care/advice

I disagree. PP is available to all women in the rainbow; they do not turn away. Of course it does take initiative to utilize their services. I mean, you actually have to walk through the front door, usually following a short jaunt in the car or on the bus.

PP is in nearly every town, but walking past the door does nothing.

I would suggest you check the validity of this statement by going here:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/FindCenterProcess.,asp

and looking up the locations yourself.

There is one PP clinic in Mississippi.

There are two clinic in South Dakota.

There are no clinics in North Dakota.

That sounds to me like a whole bunch of people who would have a heck of a long bus ride to get to the nearest PP clinic. So I would have to disagree with your assertion that PP is in nearly every town. In fact, one of the initiatives of the religiously insane is to target and shut down clinics in order to hinder people's ability to access them. It not only takes initiative; in large swaths of the country it takes considerable resources as well.

Having to do a 'perp walk' through a bunch of cultists at the end of the journey just to get into the clinic and talk to the counselors there doesn't sound like the easiest thing in the world to do, either.

tom, my comment came from my own experience. I've lived in 20+ towns in PA, ID, CA, and FL, and there was always a PP available to me; no protestors ever hampered my entrance. Abortion clinics were different (I had one after an attack). Those idiots hand't a shred of impact on my decision. In fact I would've gunned them down of it was legal (OK Just kidding).

Perhaps things have changed since I got my tubes tied. Still, if a woman wants to prevent pregnancy, there are other options (what the hell else could doctors be good for?). The methods are out there, but they must be used to be effective.

Of course, the pursuit of a higher welfare check could muddle the decision to obtain birth control.

hand't = had not

Comment from: mxracer652

No, jackass, it did not claim only PP has the answers. How the hell do you function in life being so biased?

Anyone with the ability to read between the lines can see the entire purpose is to denounce any program that takes funding from PP.

But, since you have such a high command of the English language, why don't you tell us all why PP was even brought into the discussion about the study...?

Comment from: FlyingWeasel

the only reason to wait untill marriage is to avoid std's and unwanted pregnancies.

Wow...what an extremely limited way to view life...

The first I must say is your use of the word Canuck is wrong. It describes French Canadians, of which I assure you, I am not.

canada1989, you’re the one who needs a fact checker. The Random House Dictionary notes that: "The term Canuck is first recorded about 1835 as an Americanism, originally referring specifically to a French Canadian. This was probably the original meaning, though in Canada and other countries, "Canuck" refers to any Canadian."

Also, would you please stop beating the atheism is a belief horse? It`s turned into glue now. I have a non-belief in gods just as you have a non belief in unicorns. (sorry if that`s only an assumption)

There is no word for unicorn deniers because no reasonable person would claim knowledge of their existence. The word atheist is only necessary because of surviving Bronze Age myths.


There is a difference between knowledge and beliefs. I do not "believe" there is no god. I know there is no god because there never was any proof. Just like there is no proof for unicorns. Belief is only necessary when there is a complete absence of even a shred of proof.

Should a single proof come along, I’ll jump right in the flock.


So... how`s the weather in Alberta? ;p

canada1989,

In continuance, atheism is a belief. It is a belief in which you decide to believe in the non-existent belief of God.

Please explain why you think this makes any sense.

It appears that you're saying that atheists have set their lives up around the idea that nobody believes in a deity. In other words, you think that we think that the entire world is lying when they say God exists.

That is, in a word, ridiculous.

Atheism is the default position until someone provides evidence for the existence of a deity. If you have no evidence then all your criticisms of atheism will continue to fall flat.

The generic atheist does not believe no God exists. The generic atheist believes that the question "Does God exist?" is nonsense until someone defines "God" and "Exist." If you want to provide definitions of those words, then we can start to debate the existence of your personal idea of God (which you share with nobody else on the planet).

There are atheists who believe that no God exists, but they make up a subset of the generic group of atheists. If you want to attack atheism in general, you have to attack the generic atheist.

Finally, do not respond to me again if you cannot put a sentence together properly, your grammar is reprehensible.

You may not like his grammar, but unambiguous usage of words is more important than grammar. Since you used variations of the word "belief" 3 times in 1 sentence (using 2 very different definitions) you shouldn't go around admonishing people for not communicating properly.

You've fallen victim to the equivocation fallacy. I suggest you avoid that in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

However, being young, the world is open to me. I have already put myself on a path of truth, duty and valour, and intend to make full use of that path to attain all my ambitions.

No, what you have done is given up your free will by blindly walking a well-worn path. Down this path you can expect to have both your ability to disagree and your ability to make moral judgments tempered. You will also be easily led by corrupt religious leaders.

That you seem proud of this fact leaves little doubt as to just how blind you are to ideas you disagree with. That you have shown a severe misunderstanding of atheism is evidence of how deeply you've been misled by your religious leaders.

Further, if the "truth" you speak of cannot be proven then you have no business calling it that. Can you prove your claims?

One last thing, would you please put some paragraph breaks in your posts?

Comment from: phreedm

Anyone with the ability to read between the lines can see the entire purpose is to denounce any program that takes funding from PP.

Anyone who has had the experience of wading through your tendentious dreck whenever you comment here is very well aware of how your twisted occult sociopathic mind would 'read between the lines' to turn any statements made here into hypocritical lies to further your religiously insane agenda.

The fact that, once again, you provide absolutely no proof of your fantastical claims, while seeking to scourge others based on straw men of your own creation, says volumes more about you, and religiously insane idiots like you who twist religion into an abomination of itself to further your own enrichment. A growing number of people are rapidly realizing just how much you hurt the causes you say you promote by your bearing of false witness on their behalf.

Suck it, jeebus phreak!

Phreedm:

Wow...what an extremely limited way to view life...

ok, I forget sometimes that I have to be specific or else you run away with things.

when I said that unwanted pregnancies and STD's are the only reason to avoid premarital sex, I meant that:

STD's and unwanted pregnancies are the only consequences of sex that have nothing to do with a person's personal maturity and psychological capability to deal with an adult relationship.

If a person isn't ready for sex, then that person shouldn't have sex. STD's and unwanted pregnancies, however, have nothing to do with whether or not a person is ready for sex. they are, therefore, the only universally applicable reasons to avoid sex before marriage

and of course I should add that I'm only talking about consequences that can be observed and verified in this world.

alatham;

Very nice job!!

alexatheist, twice I have tried to post on the comments of a certain critic of yours, one who talks about phallocymaster. But for some strange reason, the posts never appear. In your own interest, never respond to this guy.