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The first days of spring have always been a good time to throw a party and they still are. The ancient Pagans knew that and we still know it today. Winter's over and it's time to go on a huge bender to celebrate God/The Gods/The FSM giving us out warm weather back again, instead of punishing us with another year of winter.

Or maybe the coming of warmer weather is just a good to crawl out of our dank holes and rejoin the human culture proper.

Either way the weather's usually still too cold and wet here to celebrate anything at this time of year. So we usually get together and throw a big party for Mayday. Music, maypoles and a ton of booze. That's how you welcome spring.

Spring isn't just a good time to invent a god. It's also a great time for renewal symbolism in literature, occasionally with a bitter-irony twist, as in Eliot and Orwell.

When the pope baptised that Moslem into Catholicisim, all the pope did was stand before the Moslem world and go "ni nee ni nee ni nee, ha ha ha ha ha ha, we got one of yours". Now HOW PEACEFUL IS THAT. Seems to me the pope is stirring up ANGER, not making peace!!! He should have let the guy convert quietly without and ado!

The christians stole this holiday from Heffner, right? I always knew there was something about Easter that seemed like fun.

When the pope baptised that Moslem into Catholicisim, all the pope did was stand before the Moslem world and go "ni nee ni nee ni nee, ha ha ha ha ha ha, we got one of yours". Now HOW PEACEFUL IS THAT. Seems to me the pope is stirring up ANGER, not making peace!!! He should have let the guy convert quietly without and ado!

Your post assumes “that Muslem” Magdi Allam, is a pawn in the Pope’s power play with the world. Had it occurred to you that Mr. Allam perhaps acted of his own free will in so public a display of his conversion to Chirst and his loyalty to the Church Jesus founded? Mr. Allam is after all the deputy editor of the Corriere della Sera newspaper. A paper considered one of Italy’s most prestigious. I think it safe to assume the man can think for himself.

The overarching commonality I constantly find among Atheists is a stunning lack of intellectual rigor.

Susan,
I believe you meant, 'continually', or 'frequently'.

You exhibit the common mistake that theists make: Judging a diverse group of individuals by a few comments made in a blog.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You're not a nice person.

It's Jesus' Cruciversary.

Many Happy Returns, Jesus!

No credit to me, go see jesusandmo.net

Can someone explain to me why God doesn't want us shopping today? A big part of Chi$stianity is money, money, money, but the stores close to ensure we don't spend money on the holiest of holies?

WTF?

It's stupid of me to be so pissy about the stores being closed, but I am.

Like Target, Famous Footwear, and Sportsmen's Paradise really give a shit about religion? Crap, stores open on Chri$tmas these days, but not on Oester?

Considering that islam is the world's fastes growing religion, the pope has a lot more converts to win before he catches up.

I will be spending today eating easter dinner with my jewish friend and neighbour and her italian husband and a couple other friends. She is cooking a ham. :-)

The overarching commonality I constantly find among Atheists is a stunning lack of intellectual rigor.

That's funny--a common characteristic I have found among many theists is a kind of intellectual rigor mortis.

Comment from: Susan Hill

The overarching commonality I constantly find among Atheists is a stunning lack of intellectual rigor.

So very true...

Dave's original thread does prove your statement. I always laugh when someone who claims to have been an atheist from the time he was 2, makes claims about Christianity as if he knows what he's talking about...

The overarching commonality I constantly find among Atheists is a stunning lack of intellectual rigor.

Ha! Pot.Kettle.Black.

Bones,

Like Target, Famous Footwear, and Sportsmen's Paradise really give a shit about religion?

It's funny you mention that. I was telling my wife just this morning how I feel it's a little ironic that Wal-Mart (who unabashedly caters to their religious patrons) remains open on this Christian holiday, while stores like Target, that do a fair job of remaining neutral when it comes to their patrons religious beliefs, accommodates their employees’ Christian beliefs by closing.

Susan Hill, are you the author in Montana?

Comment from: phreedm [Member]
Comment from: Susan Hill

The overarching commonality I constantly find among Atheists is a stunning lack of intellectual rigor.



So very true...

Dave's original thread does prove your statement. I always laugh when someone who claims to have been an atheist from the time he was 2, makes claims about Christianity as if he knows what he's talking about...

Thanks for proving my point, phreedm.

Whenever I meet someone who claims to have taken their whole life to understand the Buybull I feel so sorry for them.
One need only read part way into Genesis to realize how primitive it is. And then, if you continue, it becomes more and more absurd. Yet there are people who profess to live by its regulations. They don’t of course; no one could. And, no one should.

Yet there are people who profess to live by its {the bible's}regulations. They don’t of course; no one could. And, no one should.

A.J. Jacobs lived by biblical regulations for a year, or at least he tried to. His funny book chronicling his experiences, The Year of Living Biblically, is well worth the read.

http://www.amazon.com/Year-Living-Biblically-Literally-Possible/dp/0743291476

Here, here! Amen.

And if anyone does a little research into ancient egyptology, they'll find that all the "bible stories" already exist in the "Book of the Dead", the pyramid scrolls, etc. and that all these stories are all allegorical myths about the SUN as it travels throughout the consellations, in addition to the SUN being our savior and the developed CONCEPT (notice, I don't say REALITY) that humans have a "divine spark" in them that is also from the "sun" their "savior", etc., ad nauseum. When I seriously studied all this, my whole belief in "God" simply melted away. Never intended on becoming an atheist, but truth is quite liberating!

No, I'm not an author in Montana.

It's Jesus' Cruciversary.

And again with the wonton disregard for accuracy or truth of any kind. I’m afraid you’ve missed that little “versary” by, lets see again, what was it, oh yes, three days.

Intellectual rigour involves basing your conclusions on evidence, not wishful thinking.

The more I see of religious apologists expressing themselves on the web, the more I wonder how it is they can take their own flaws and project them onto realists, all without recognizing the irony.

Wake up, little Susie! Wake up! Even if you have convinced yourself that that was a true and logical observation, you aren't fooling us.

Obeah:

You exhibit the common mistake that theists make: Judging a diverse group of individuals by a few comments made in a blog.

Enlighten me. Show me your group’s (the whole group not just the little slice of this blog) valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

Give it your best shot. Show me what you’ve got. Show me how and where a set of codes by which to live instituted by mankind without submission to God’s Grace has lasted more than a few hundred years.

On the other hand if you wish to see the work of God’s hands I challenge you to explain the existence and persistence of the Jewish people in the face of thousands who wish to exterminate them on a daily basis, year in and year out. The Jews are not so cleaver, nor so virtuous as a whole to explain their continued existence with out the favor of God.

The same exact claim can me made of the Catholic Church. Have you seen some of the people running the damn thing? If you say yes, and you can still claim that the institution is of human origin. I submit that you will believe anything anyone tells you no matter how idiotic.

Bones

Can someone explain to me why God doesn't want us shopping today? A big part of Chi$stianity is money, money, money, but the stores close to ensure we don't spend money on the holiest of holies?

WTF?

No kidding, right? I went w/a friend to visit our pagan le$bian friend in the hospital. PL friend is recovering from surgery. We tried to stop and buy flowers. The huge flower shop across from the hospital that is ALWAYS open was closed. The hospital gift shop was closed. So, when we left, we thought we'd buy her Season 2 of The L Word to watch while she recoups at home. Nothing was open except Kmart and Walmart. And we knew Wally World wouldn't carry it, so we checked Kmart. Nope.
Target, Best Buy, Circuit City, The Mall. My friend was muttering "damn fucking christians! What the hell are pagans supposed to be allowed to do today?" and she IS christian!

I did come home and go to Walmart here and buy some perennials and brick border to put around the new mailbox and post my son put up yesterday. I agree with DVanW about the peculiarity of that store staying open on this high holiday after all the war on xmas flak.

I seriously never realized that everything shut down on easter. What a royal pain.

Susie,

Did you get to eat part of Jesus' body today? Which part do you suppose it was?

I'm guessing the ears, but it's your fantasy, so you tell us.

No Alex, not that part.

Oh, and Susie, the archeologists never did find that calendar Mary marked up. My operating assumption is that it never happened. How could the Romans and Israelites have missed recording the mayhem that ensued after the graves opened up and people long dead went back to their families? (Matthew 27:52-53)

Like Dave said in the posting, Christians arbitrarily attached the Crucifiction (sic) and Resurrection to pagan spring fertility celebrations.

In any event, it wouldn't have been March 21, given the many adjustments to the calendar in the meantime.

Susan

Enlighten me. Show me YOUR group’s (the whole group not just the little slice of one church or denomination) valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

Have you seen some of the people running the damn thing? If you say yes, and you can still claim that the institution is of human origin.

Surely, you jest. Or is there a typo and you left some words out? What about the malignancies running the RCC should make us think it was anything but man-made?

Susan,

Give it your best shot. Show me what you’ve got. Show me how and where a set of codes by which to live instituted by mankind without submission to God’s Grace has lasted more than a few hundred years.

Just off the top of my head, I would say that the Roman Empire lasted roughly 800 yrs without your christian God idea. In fact, it was only AFTER the Romans accepted Jesus as their lord, that Rome collapsed.

That's roughly four times as long as the United States has been around. Can you say with complete certainty that the U.S., God's own country, will still be around in another 600 yrs?

I didn't think so.

Well, lets see,

The Romans had a pretty good Empire going, until they converted to Christianity.

Then came the Dark Ages and Middle Ages, which lasted more than a few hundred years under the hands of the Popes and the monks. They found science useful only for the building of war engines and Cathedrals. To be accused of godlessness was to die for.

Next the Renaissance, and Science began to have an effect, in spite of determined opposition and persecution from the Church.

Then the Enlightenment and the Church lost its power to intimidate. Science began to improve life in many concrete ways that the God botherers never achieved in spite of their many prayers.

Susan, I normally don't respond to the a-holes like you who have nothing better to do than invade our internet space and clutter this blog with bull. However, I'm in a pissy mood because I can't do my shopping.

You small-minded little one, do you really think your god would be proud of you and your ilk today?

HA!

Loud mouth bigots spouting crap and attempting to force others to go along.

HA!

Take a good look at yourself. At your so-called christians of today. If you're proud of the behaviour, you're worse off than I thought.

Now, go away

I don't know where your getting the idea that athiests are inheriantly stupid. I have a 1440 on the SAT and am in competition to be a national merit scholar. My score puts me in the 98th percentile. I can quite effectively disprove the all-reaching truth of the catholic church by typing the words "earth" and "orbit" into google. The popes also tortured people for being witches, ordered executions, approved of hitler, blocks science, is incapable of miracles, and many other bother that the all-powerful have. Considering we just had dying Jesus day, it would seem fitting to say that they also lied about things as mundane as clothing: the shroud of turin has been dated to the early middle ages. Nevertheless, I am prepared to listen to what you say: what where Jesus's last words?
If you want a society that works quite well without Mr. Jesus (of Nazareth, not Charles Manson's alter ego) I would name most of western europe. Few things last a couple of hundred years, Susan. I can only name two that lasted over a thousand: the Holy Roman Empire (which ceased to matter after the forty-years war, meaning that it only mattered for about 800) and the romans (non-christian for most of the time).
Since you came here to convert us, please offer proof that can be tested objectivly. If you can donate such proof, I will admit the possibility that god exists. If you cannot, as someone obviously suffering from a heavy addiction to untestable beliefs and men in outdated dresses (so early 1500's), how do you expect to convert those who apparently cannot connect the dots as well as you? I'm sorry, but it'll take more than a few words of latin and store-bought wine to prove your sadomachoist religion of beating people who love us to death.

I'm so slow, you slipped in while I was typing, Ren. I hear that's now called being Ninja'd.

I'd like to emphasize how the challenge involved the impossible task of enumerating all the characteristics of a very large number of people.

Not very honest debating, Susie. Did you bend a Commandment in there somewhere?

On a different note, do True Christians use computers on Sundays? I'm sure some True Orthodox Jews don't. It's their Bible so wouldn't they know best?

You are truly deluded Susan. I feel for you.

You ranted about “my group”. I don’t know anyone on this blog personally. If you really had read enough of it to account for your incredibly narrow minded statement as to how atheists think, you would realize that (as I stated) we are a diverse “group” with a common opinion that there are no supernatural beings. In fact, there are a few here with whom I disagree intensely, on other subjects.

...valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

I have neither the time nor the space to list all the accomplishments of non-believers. If you have managed to miss them then you are indeed illiterate. Or perhaps your god idea has kept you from the manifold contributions of artists, writers, scientists, and philosophers who had no time for the Easter Bunny etc.

The rest of your comment confirms my suspicion that you are sadly lacking in the ability to apply critical thought to your feelings. Susan, there are NO supernatural beings controlling this planet, or the Jews, or the Catholics.

DD Dropout,

I'm so slow, you slipped in while I was typing, Ren. I hear that's now called being Ninja'd.

That's funny. I had always heard it is because great minds think alike :-) At least that is what my grandmother always told me.

I'd love to come to a convention sometime, and I understand the logic of holding it at the end of the xian rutting season (Easter, that is). But I'm a professional musician, and my wife and I together netted nearly $500 today from the xians, and I didn't even have to listen to the "feel good" sermon. The year they stop paying us for this is when I finally get to come to convention. And it was only a four hour drive away this time. Well, I'm sure I'll have to give up my career sooner or later.

"Group"?

Is is appropriate to call those who don't believe in unicorns a group?

On the other hand if you wish to see the work of God’s hands I challenge you to explain the existence and persistence of the Jewish people in the face of thousands who wish to exterminate them on a daily basis, year in and year out.

Why should we? We're not the ones making the claim. You've claimed that the Jews couldn't have survived without the help of a deity. Can you prove that? If you can't, then it doesn't matter what I may or may not believe about the Jews.

Plenty of people have been trying to wipe out black people for just as long, but they seem to be doing just fine. Or do they also have God on their side?

Further, can you explain the existence of atheists since time immemorial? We probably haven't had any deities on our side (though I, of course, can't rule that out).

If you say yes, and you can still claim that the institution is of human origin. I submit that you will believe anything anyone tells you no matter how idiotic.

Can you prove that we will believe anything? The baseless assumption that deities exist seems pretty idiotic to me, but I don't believe that.

Furthermore, since you seem to know what we believe better than we do, why don't you tell us what some of the idiotic things we believe are? If you can point out any idiotic beliefs I adhere to, then I promise to renounce them immediately.

There's no room for idiocy or baseless assumptions in my life.

Susan,
The hammurabi code preceded anything biblical & we still live by that.

Dumbass.

susan hill
that convert if he was sincere why make a public show that is not of the teaching of jesus.
what makes jesus a powerful historical figure is he preached love,compassion etc.at a time in place when life was short an mean.
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN should be seen as a state of being not a place where knowledge,wisdom and courage and self control come together

I'm not here to convert you, were you to join the ranks of converted Atheists that would be at Jesus’ behest, not my own. I'm here to stress you out, I like to here ya'll screech. I think it’s funny.

They say there is wailing and gnashing of teeth in Hell. I just pop in here to hear some of that on earth. I used to just watch the news, but that got old. You see I spend so much time in my insulated little Catholic bubble, I need to get out every so often.

Thanks for an entertaining afternoon. Gotta run, I Tivoed G.K. CHESTERTON: APOSTLE OF COMMON SENSE on EWTN.

Reason:

Not sure where your theology comes from but the Kingdom of Heaven is very much a place.

As is Hell.

All people will spend eternity in one or the other.

Period.

and no folks i haven't reach enlightenment myself so i am sorry if i came across as preachy.am i trying yes but most of the time i'm simply an unthinking brute beast.

yes Susan hell is a place we humans make it here there everywhere.the founders of all the great religions used allegory they had to as most of pop. could not read or write.

Thank you David. Now if I can just travel back in time and tell myself when I was a kid that christianity is bullshit I would be a millionare when I turned how old I am now.

flux
the dollar is dropping better make it a billionare.

Maybe I could tell myself to short-sell enron.

flux
don't forget the sex scandal your nobody if you don't have sex scandal.

So Susan you think that god is love, right? yet he allows the majority of his beloved children to spend eternity in hell. Let's try this little thought experiment: Can you imagine any action so awful that your own child would commit that you would be willing to send them to an eternal and painful punishment? Just wondering how much of a psycho sadist you are.

alex
'psycho sadist'now why bring barack obama into this.poor grandma!

Susan Swill:

I'm here to stress you out, I like to here ya'll screech. I think it’s funny.

Yeah, good Christian attitude you got there.
More proof that religion doesn't improve people.
Chesterton, BTW, was a logorrheic windbag. All fluff, no stuff.

I had a sex scandal when I worked at home depot....damn, I got fired because of it too. The thing is that I was the best damn employee they ever had there because I was actually friendly to the customers, I got stuff done on time, my work was perfect, I caught people stealing stuff and got the merchandise back, I confinscated 3 credit cards from a fraudster, I took all of their product knowledge and hence was the only one who knew the products .... etc, the list does indeed go on. It was the offhanded making of a joke about doggy style sex at an inappropriate time that got me fired though (I was just trying to break the ice of an awkward conversation that other people were having about ass-douchebags that was going on during a 15 minute break, but the managers there fired me because of a 0 tolerance policy they have .... that's all the proof that I need that there is no god!).

Anyway, I made the best of it by going back to school instead of trying to get another full time job. It's hard to find a job when you've got sexual harrassment on your permanent file, but in environmentalism it should be relatively easier since that's such a huge field and is growing, right!?

Part of me thinks that if Bill Clinton and his wife can be US presidents with such a widely publicized sex scandal, that I can surely find a job that isn't even close to president, right!? Or am I royally fucked for living in xian america? Can somebody put things in perspective for me?

Suz is back. OK Suz. Let's be rigorous. Give me an operational definition of "gods" and an operational definition of "exist". What more fundamental starting point could there be when addressing your belief?

Enlighten me. Show me your group’s (the whole group not just the little slice of this blog) valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

I present God. He created the world in seven days. He aslo happens to be an Atheist.

Oh, and I don't screech: hurts the vocal cords.

All people will spend eternity in one or the other.

I was just thinking that spending any amount of time in the presence of your arrogant ass would be hell...
Kinda puts the whole eternity thing into perspective. I don't think I want to be anywhere you're going to be. Guess I'll just have to convert to ensure I get to heaven.

So, Susan, why'd you become a Christian? Was it to aviod "Ever-lasting Punishment(TM)"? Don't you feel a little self-conscience for being so shallow in your motives?

The most hillarious thought came upon me: if Hell is all its cracked up to be, God is going to lock me in the same room as Susan for all eternity.

Apparently there's fire in hell, which means it has an oxygen rich environment. There are also people there too, I'm told, so it must be people friendly, right?

Can someone explain to me why God doesn't want us shopping today? A big part of Chi$stianity is money, money, money, but the stores close to ensure we don't spend money on the holiest of holies?

He wants us to save our money for one whole day so we can spend twice as much the next day.

Susan Hill, you're brave to come here. You got any evidence for your sky fairy? Also, you got any evidence for Jesus being anything more than a human ape? One more question - do you accept or reject the evidence for biological evolution? Thanks.

I got a 4th question. I noticed you said something about heaven and hell, as if these places are real. You got any evidence for this wild claim? Thanks.

We had a nice day. Took the dogs on a hike and ate leftovers.
No leftovers for trolls;)

Last year we were working on rehabbing a house and it was almost impossible to find a place to eat- Burgerking etc. was closed so we ate Chinese food. They were open and busy.

Today is chocolate sale day- look out Riteaid!

Susan Hill

Were does the bible talk about hell and then say you will spend all eternity there?

Comment from: phreedm

Dave's original thread does prove your statement. I always laugh when someone who claims to have been an atheist from the time he was 2, makes claims about Christianity as if he knows what he's talking about...

...says the person who's been a christian all its' life, yet feels supremely qualified to makes claims about athiesm, tell all of the atheists why they think what they think, and even create a false anti-belief system to force atheists into, as if he has some sort of phreaking clue as to what it's talking about.

I do see another brain dead religiously insane idiot has shown up to try and "stress y'all out" with her particular flavor of cultish paganism.

I'll get to some serious ridicule of that sh!tstain on humanity in a bit, but I am curious: where exactly are these kingdoms that you so fervently proclaim exist? I notice that you've used the traditional christian method of debate: proclaim that something is true. period. without backing up your proclamation with any reality-based facts. Care to try and provide any sort of proof of these fantastical hypotheses?

Comment from: DD Dropout

It's Jesus' Cruciversary.

You need to be careful when mis-stating religious fairy tales. They used to burn people at the stake for that. As one of the prime examples of their valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

Yesterday was the Anniversay of Zombie Jeebus coming back to suck the brains from his followers, and turn them into mindless religiously insane proponents of his set of cultish superstitions. They still follow his policies in this day and age, and try and turn even more humans into brain-dead zombies who mindlessly follow their religiously insane nonsense.

On a positive note about Oestre, my fundamentalist grandmother did not give my son a chocolate cross like she did for all the other grandchildren and I thanked her for respecting our religious differences.

So Susan I'm still waiting for an answer: what crime is so terrible that you would see to it that your own beloved child should suffer an eternity of torment for commiting it?

The idea of heaven is ridiculous, the idea of hell is pathological.

Comment from: Susan Hill

Enlighten me. Show me your group’s (the whole group not just the little slice of this blog) valor, morality, sacrifices on behalf of mankind, contribution to the betterment of mankind, the fine arts, intellectual contributions, philosophical contributions, societal betterment programs, and the fruits there of.

Well - atheists didn't refuse to teach writing to the serfs, the way catholics did in the dark ages. So there's one less contribution to the worsening of humankind by the atheists than the christians.

Atheists also didn't subject non-atheists to an inquisition, and then torture them until they paid lip service to their lack of a gawd idea. So that's Atheists zero, chrstitans minus two. So far.

Atheists didn't go on a two century jaunt into another part of the world to forcibly convert those people to their atheistic lack of beliefs. But christians sure did try to make sure all those middle easterners shared their religious insanity, or died due to their heathenish beliefs, during the crusades. A fine example of the superior morality and valor of the christians...

Let's not even get into the Salem witch trials, or the more recent examples of homophobic hatred from today's upstanding members of the christian faith. Or the continuous assault of atheists and non-christians. Or the attempts to legislate their religious insanity in a nation that was built on the separation of church and state. Or the brainwashing of children into their deviant cults. Or the abuse of children by those same cults.

Smarter brain dead religiously insane pagan occult superstitionists, please...

Cute easter story:
My friend's 3 year old wanted to use her colored pens she was using to highlight info on her National Boards Certification work. She suggested he get his own pens to play with. The following converstion ensued.

Him:I can't find my pens. They losted.

Her. Oh? Well, maybe the Easter Bunny will bring you more pens.

Him: There is no easter bunny.

Her: Yes. On Sunday morning when you wake up the easter bunny will have brought you a basket and maybe there will be pens in it.

Him: No. No easter bunny. The pen man will bring me pens!

:)

Karen

Love it!

"Atheists didn't go on a two century jaunt into another part of the world to forcibly convert those people to their atheistic lack of beliefs. But christians sure did try to make sure all those middle easterners shared their religious insanity, or died due to their heathenish beliefs, during the crusades. A fine example of the superior morality and valor of the christians..."

But the Atheist of the world did gives us the USSR and Communist China, Cuba, N. Korea etc., which was are/were some of the bigest sh*t holes on earth.....just horrific political entities, that murder millions of innocents and tried to convert the world to their "enlightened" atheistic ways.....thank-god the the hell-holes collapsed in just 70 years. Well except for Cuba and N. Korea, which still practice the religion of atheism...aka Communism.

Gee, thanks atheist, you're # 1.

Well except for Cuba and N. Korea, which still practice the religion of atheism...aka Communism.

Whenever this tired old statement comes up(again and again and again) it merely shows the incredible ignorance of the person posting.
Try reading a book.

Salvador
Just think, you probably wouldn't be a Christian today if those early Christians hadn't killed so many people in their path to bring the Good Word to you. Lucky You! Praise Be the Bloodthirsty God!

"Whenever this tired old statement comes up(again and again and again) it merely shows the incredible ignorance of the person posting.
Try reading a book."

The statement is tiring to you, because it is true, and you don't have a convenient way of ignoring it. You don't want to have to admit that atheism is a sacred cow of Communism, and defines communistic culture to the nth. You need to believe that religion is the root of all evil. A statement made by Karl Marx. Need I remind that the founder of American Atheist....the Ol'Hairy chic....was an avowed Communist.

Salvador,

Well except for Cuba and N. Korea, which still practice the religion of atheism...aka Communism.

Maybe I missed something, but isn't China one of the strongest countries in the world? When did they fold?

I didn't realize communism was an atheist religion. Thanks for clearing that up. I was always under the impression that communism was a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. And that it quickly evolved into a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

And by the way, one only need look to the break-up of the U.S.S.R. to see how "atheistic" that country was. China is very much the same as there are a number of religions openly practiced in communist China.

Obeah is right, read a book. You sound like a typical Christian puppet.

P.S. Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color.

Salvador,

You don't want to have to admit that atheism is a sacred cow of Communism, and defines communistic culture to the nth.

There's a claim, now back it up with some evidence. At the very least provide us with the reasoning you used to come to this conclusion.

Or have you just been told this all your life and never questioned it?

In order for us to explain to you why you're wrong, we need to know why you think you're right. There are a number of common pitfalls when discussing this topic.

You need to believe that religion is the root of all evil.

Here's another claim that you need to back up. I don't think religion is the root of all evil and yet I call myself and atheist.

I guess I need a theist to tell me what my own thoughts are.

Need I remind that the founder of American Atheist....the Ol'Hairy chic....was an avowed Communist.

Here's the third claim. Can you back it up with evidence? This is the first time I've ever heard this particular one.

On the other hand, Madelyn Murray O'Hair was a disgusting and abrasive woman. I applaud her for fighting for atheistic rights, but I condemn just about everything else I've ever heard about her.

So go ahead and attack her all you want, that won't make any deities exist. And remember that the only effective attack on atheism is evidence that a deity exists.

"...because it is true..."
Brilliant point!

"...you don't have a convenient way of ignoring it..."
Why not?


"atheism is a sacred cow"
Do you see anything odd about this?

"...communistic culture to the nth..." Please define this.

"You need to believe that religion is the root of all evil." No. I don't.

Need I remind that the founder of American Atheist....the Ol'Hairy chic....was an avowed Communist.
SO?

Comment from: DD Dropout

The Romans had a pretty good Empire going, until they converted to Christianity.

Then came the Dark Ages and Middle Ages, which lasted more than a few hundred years under the hands of the Popes and the monks. They found science useful only for the building of war engines and Cathedrals. To be accused of godlessness was to die for.

Speaking of the Dark Ages...

Try doing some research about the Byzantine Empire...

Comment from: Obeah

Yet there are people who profess to live by its regulations. They don’t of course; no one could.

Finally, someone understands the purpose of the Law...

Salvador: "the religion of atheism...aka Communism."

That's interesting. Then you mean, Salvador, non-religious people are religious, and atheism means inferior economic systems.

I always thought non-religious people are not religious. I also thought atheism means "not theism".

Comment from: Augustine

I don't know where your getting the idea that athiests are inheriantly stupid. I have a 1440 on the SAT and am in competition to be a national merit scholar.

Wow...what an admission...(I won't point out the misspelling. We've all been called on that).

A few weeks ago you claimed that you were heading off to college, meaning you would be taking the "new" SATs. Odd, that a perfect score would be 2400 today. If you got a 1440, you're just a bit under average.

http://www.satscore.us/

Kind of makes anything else you post suspicious...

Salvador, I'm an atheist. I'm also a capitalist. I have been investing in the stock market for many years. I served in the US Army to help defend a capitalist country called America. I know quite a few atheists, and guess what, every single one of them is a capitalist.

As an atheist and a capitalist who thinks communism is an extremely inferior economic system, I resent your claim that atheism equals communism.

If you look at any dictionary, you will learn atheism means "not theism". You will find no definitions of atheism that talk about economic systems because atheism has nothing to do with that.

Other definitions of atheism include "not insane", "not stupid", "not gullible", "not brainwashed", "not feeble minded", "not an idiot", "not a compulsive liar", "not uneducated".

phreedm wrote:

(I won't point out the misspelling. We've all been called on that).

In saying you won't point it out, you're calling attention to it, are you not? If you didn't want to point it out, why mention it in the first place?

And also:

Kind of makes anything else you [Augustine] post suspicious...

I'm sure Augustine was devastated to have his honesty questioned by a such a paragon of credibility as yourself, phreedm...

"Salvador
Just think, you probably wouldn't be a Christian today if those early Christians hadn't killed so many people in their path to bring the Good Word to you. Lucky You! Praise Be the Bloodthirsty God!"

Well if you're refering to my people specifically, the Hispanic-Mestizo race, I attribute our demographic success to the Catholic church. We came from nothing, and now the Mestizo race is set to become the majority of the United States population. In just a little under 50 years, we have immensely changed the racial, religious and linguistic make-up of America......and the meek shall inherit the earth.

Why does your pope wear a dress and a funny hat?

Salvadore,

Mikhail Gorbachev admits he is a Christian

http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2000/octoberweb-only/57.0b.html

So much for the Soviet Union being Atheist. Just a bunch of closet Christians, murdering in the name of the state, instead of their lard jeebus.

BobC,

Why does your pope wear a dress and a funny hat?

Because the word 'Pope' is Latin for 'Tran$vestite', just as the word 'Preacher' is Latin for 'Pederast'.

Comment from: Salvador

But the Atheist of the world did gives us the USSR and Communist China, Cuba, N. Korea etc., which was are/were some of the bigest sh*t holes on earth.....just horrific political entities, that murder millions of innocents and tried to convert the world to their "enlightened" atheistic ways.....thank-god the the hell-holes collapsed in just 70 years. Well except for Cuba and N. Korea, which still practice the religion of atheism...aka Communism.

Gee, thanks atheist, you're # 1.

Isn't it nice to see that religiously insane pagan occult superstitionists can only think of things in their own terms? Communism is a religion - because everything is a religion!Blinkered philistine thinking at its' finest...

It's also quite amusing to see the resident phreakshow questioning others' credibility.

what, did they toss unfounded unsourced religiously insane kimchee into the conversation (like the belief that communism is a religion)?

Did they put words in other peoples' mouths, and try and tell others what they are thinking, how they are thinking, and why they are thinking?

Did they try and edumacate their fellow commenters by insulting their intelligence and pointing them to a link to a religiously insane web site?

This walking abomination reminds me an awful lot of the a$$hole catholic I used to watch come in late to church and then park in the fire lane because he felt he was better than everyone else.

I also find it extremely amusing that a man in his mid fifties with a wife and kids has enough spare time to comment incessantly on every post on an atheist's blog. Being your basic single guy, I gots lots o time to taunt these silly christian bed-wetting types. Apparently that whole devotion to the marriage vows thing isn't that far up the list as far as christian duties are concerned...

Comment from: castletonsnob

I'm sure Augustine was devastated to have his honesty questioned by a such a paragon of credibility as yourself, phreedm...

Well we have our first candidate who posts under the "pen name" of Augustine...

"Why does your pope wear a dress and a funny hat?"

Below is a memo issued to all Soviet Era School teachers in 1981 by the KGB Director Yuri Andropov when Pope John Paul was spearheading the solidarity movement in Poland and the atheist were starting to worry that their "God" (the state) was about ready to collapse on its ass.

Yuri Andropov then KGB Director:

"The Pope is our enemy. . . . Due to his uncommon skills and great sense of humor he is dangerous, because he charms everyone, especially journalists. Besides, he goes for cheap gestures in his relations with the crowd, for instance, [he] puts on a highlander’s hat, shakes all hands, kisses children, etc. . . . It is modeled on American presidential campaigns. . . . Because of the activities of the Church in Poland our activities designed to atheize the youth not only cannot diminish but must intensely develop. . . . In this respect all means are allowed and we cannot afford sentiments.[5]"

Now Yuri Andropov clearly states that the Soviet Union's goal is to "atheize" the youth.

Why would this be???

Because atheist are mind numbed robots that are least likely to fight for god given rights, and are the least likely to question government authority.......because that is all an atheist believes in.....is the state and the government. As the KGB director well knows, Atheist make the best of Communist and vice versa.

You still haven't addressed how your leader....the old hairy chick (butt ugly at that)....was also an avowed communist. Do all the atheistic women look like O'hair......probably a good % of them do.....

Links below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pope_John_Paul_II_assassination_attempt

http://crimemagazine.com/ohair.htm
Ohair's Communist leanings.

Need I also add that Mikhail Gorbachev said this about the Pope.

“the collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without the pope"

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/mikhail_gorbachev/3.html

That's why all the atheist on this forum hate the Catholic Church and the Pope.....because they resent that their salvation and purpose for living....the Communist state, collapse due to the workings of the great pope.

Atheist are nothin but a bunch murderous Communistic thugs.

You can learn more about my beliefs at this web-site.

La Voz de Aztlan

Voice of Aztlan (en English)

http://www.aztlan.net/

Salvador.

comment from Salvador:

Because atheist are mind numbed robots that are least likely to fight for god given rights, and are the least likely to question government authority.....

I think you have the term "atheist" confused. Atheists are the ones that question the existence of a god and come to a conclusion that there are none. It is the religious that generaly believe everything they are told.
Atheists have no leader, we are not a group. Atheist are simply anyone who is not a theist. This happens to be a blog for atheists. There is a blog somewhere for people who onw parrots, do parrot owners have a leader??

Comment from: Salvador

That's why all the atheist on this forum hate the Catholic Church and the Pope.....because they resent that their salvation and purpose for living....the Communist state, collapse due to the workings of the great pope.

Atheist are nothin but a bunch murderous Communistic thugs.

Thanks for yet another religiously insane perspective on a subject that religiously insane cultists have no clue about, slavedoor.

I think I might be able to safely theorize that some of the more 'frevent' christians are almost dangerously insane these days. Could you imagine what a hypocritical pagan superstitionalist like this would do if they ran into one of those people someplace where they think they could get away with physical violence?

Atheist are nothin but a bunch murderous Communistic thugs.

You do realize that New Testament Christianity is the absolute epitome of communistic economics, right?

Salvador,

All your post does is remind us why it is fallacy for ANY government to try to FORCE religion (or non-religion) on its people.

Due to his uncommon skills and great sense of humor he is dangerous, because he charms everyone, especially journalists. Besides, he goes for cheap gestures in his relations with the crowd, for instance, [he] puts on a highlander’s hat, shakes all hands, kisses children, etc

I know it was 1981, but I'm still having a hard time reconciling my visual memory of Pope "Timmy!" with this statement.

"I know it was 1981, but I'm still having a hard time reconciling my visual memory of Pope "Timmy!" with this statement."

Why do the atheist take the least important parts of my post and feel they must comment on it.......because they can't argue the more important parts of my post.

"Could you imagine what a hypocritical pagan superstitionalist like this would do if they ran into one of those people someplace where they think they could get away with physical violence?"

Has it occured to you that your post virtually don't make any sense.

"All your post does is remind us why it is fallacy for ANY government to try to FORCE religion (or non-religion) on its people."

Hhhmmmm......you should tell that to your cult leader, O'Hair....she definitely believed communism was the answer, as well as almost all atheist. But the witch is gone now.......lol.

"It is the religious that generaly believe everything they are told."

Accept the religious don't believe in Communism....and are anti-communists, and that is were your resentment for the religious lies...because you can't imagine how someone can't see "the state" as being ones ultimate salvation. It just boggles your tiny little mind.

I'm so sorry your berlin wall collapsed, and your Bolshevik dreams.......not.

Salvador,

Now Yuri Andropov clearly states that the Soviet Union's goal is to "atheize" the youth.
Why would this be???

Probably because the Soviet Union was an evil Authoritarian entity.

If you want to make the case that atheists are necessarily Authoritarians, then go ahead and try. But I have no intention of holding my breath.

The simple fact here is that all the popular forms of monotheism cannot dissociate themselves from Authoritarianism, but atheists can reject Authoritarianism if they so choose.

Because atheist are mind numbed robots that are least likely to fight for god given rights, and are the least likely to question government authority.......because that is all an atheist believes in.....is the state and the government.

Do you have any evidence to back up this statement?

My personal motto is "question everything." I guess I'm not really an atheist.

You still haven't addressed how your leader....the old hairy chick (butt ugly at that)....was also an avowed communist.

Leader? Fuck her.

You still haven't provided evidence that she was a communist. That link does not support your claim in the least.

In fact, there's strong evidence that she was the opposite of a Communist. From The Freedom Writer:

FW: How would you like to be remembered?
O'HAIR: I told my kids I just want three words on my tombstone, if I have one. I'll probably be cremated. One is "woman." I'm very comfortable in that role. I've loved being a woman, I've loved being a mother, I've loved being a grandmother. I want three words: Woman, Atheist, Anarchist. That's me.
-Emphasis mine

Full link:
http://tinyurl.com/335z2x

Do those sound like the words of a Communist? Or are her own words not a good indicator of her ideals? By definition, anarchists cannot be communists.

And here are quotes from the source you provided:

Of the many ironies involved in the O’Hair story, one is that Madalyn O’Hair battled the government all her life and conscientiously avoided paying taxes.

The reports noted that O’Hair was brash, profane and vulgar, that she had a reputation for being abrasive and turning friends and allies into enemies, that she was notoriously tight-fisted and always looking for ways to enrich her empire -- all of those things she might have agreed with.

Here's a hint, next time you want to make a case, don't give opposition evidence that proves you wrong.

Did you even read the article you posted? All evidence points to "no."

Do all the atheistic women look like O'hair......probably a good % of them do.....

What is this supposed to prove?

Do you really not know how to make an argument?

Need I also add that Mikhail Gorbachev said this about the Pope.

“the collapse of the Iron Curtain would have been impossible without the pope"

So? What's your point?

That's why all the atheist on this forum hate the Catholic Church and the Pope.....because they resent that their salvation and purpose for living....the Communist state, collapse due to the workings of the great pope.

Evidence?

Atheist are nothin but a bunch murderous Communistic thugs.

Then how can you explain the fact that we are underrepresented in prison in the USA?

In 1997 we made up only .209% of the prison population, despite making at least 4% of the general population. That means that atheists were at least 20 times less likely to end up in prison. If I could find more recent numbers, I would use them instead and perhaps my case would not be so tight, but this is the best we've got.

The two extreme conclusion are that atheists are 20 times more moral, or 20 times smarter about getting away with crimes. The reality almost certainly falls somewhere in the middle.

Here is a link for the stats:
http://tinyurl.com/2n6g74

Salvador, you have a very skewed perspective on the way the world works. I hope that you refrain from participating in our democracy until you can learn to think for yourself instead of parroting the baseless arguments that you've presented here.

Comment from: Salvador

"I know it was 1981, but I'm still having a hard time reconciling my visual memory of Pope "Timmy!" with this statement."

Why do the atheist take the least important parts of my post and feel they must comment on it.......because they can't argue the more important parts of my post.

Why do the religiously insane always distort any arguments against their superstitious nonsense? And then think they have the right to tell everyone what somebody (who completely disagrees with their occult pagan fairy tales) what they're thinking and why they're thinking it?

Maybe it's because they have no facts to base their imaginary sky fairy on, and so cannot conceive of engaging in a debate using fact-based reasoning.

"Could you imagine what a hypocritical pagan superstitionalist like this would do if they ran into one of those people someplace where they think they could get away with physical violence?"

Has it occured to you that your post virtually don't make any sense.

I'm sure that people like you, slavedoor, are having problems with the big words. Maybe if you talked to some grownups real nice, they could help you with that.

There's also usually a lot of logic involved in my comments, so I can understand why pig-ignorant pagans like you, slavedoor, would have comprehension issues.

But, go ahead and continue to shamelessly lie about those you know nothing about. A perfect example of the lack of moral standards amoung the religiously insane. Good job!

Salvador,

You've fallen into the trap of believing that because most theists are capitalists, most atheists must necessarily be communists. This is a logical fallacy known as a non sequitur.

Just because atheists reject (or are ignorant of) theism does not mean that we must also reject the common traits of theists. You are trying to build what is known as a "Straw-man argument" by building atheism up as some organized entity that opposes everything that theism stands for. That is ridiculous.

As I've stated before, the only effective attack on atheism is evidence that at least one deity exists.

You can attack individual atheists all you want (and I encourage you to), but so far none of your arguments have anything to say to me because the Straw-man you've built does not even begin to represent me (I, of course, cannot speak for other atheists).

You are trying to force atheism into a box so you can throw some explosives inside and destroy us (and thus avoid having to answer difficult questions about your bizarre beliefs), but you don't seem to realize that atheism is a cloud that permeates every aspect of modern society.

Atheists don't agree on anything except that deities are probably made up. Assert otherwise all you want, your arguments will simply continue to fall flat as they have so far.

Why do the atheist take the least important parts of my post and feel they must comment on it.......because they can't argue the more important parts of my post.

Or how about I had made my point with the first part and just wanted to add a joke to it. I'm sorry, but all things must eventually lead back to Seinfeld, South Park, or The Simpsons. It's the only way to prevent the Big Crunch.

dammit, I missed the XHTML tag. Oh well.

Accept the religious don't believe in Communism....and are anti-communists, and that is were your resentment for the religious lies...because you can't imagine how someone can't see "the state" as being ones ultimate salvation. It just boggles your tiny little mind.

Salvador, I'd appreciate it if you'd open an Economics text-book, flip to the index, look up 'communism' and return to tell us what you learned. Seriously, I pity you your ignorance.

In fact, there's strong evidence that she was the opposite of a Communist.