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04/27/08

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Forced bible teaching as literature

AMERICAN ATHEISTS ACTION ALERT
http://www.atheists.org
April 26, 2008

TENNESSEE BILL CALLS FOR STATE-WIDE
BIBLE INSTRUCTION CLASSES
Action needed now to stop more public funding of religious propaganda!

Bills in the Tennessee state Senate and House would create "non-sectarian" high school Bible instruction courses under the guise of teaching history and literature.

Senate Bill 4104 is slated for a vote this week. The measure is sponsored by State Sen. Roy Herron (D-Dresden), with a mirror bill in the House introduced by Rep. Mark Maddox (DE-Dresden). According to the Jackson Sun newspaper, "If it becomes law, the legislation would make the Bible course a state-approved elective, and school boards would no longer have to apply for a specific course through the Department of Education."

Fifteen counties in Tennessee already use public money to operate similar instruction units which employ a variety of disingenuous labels such as "Bible History" or "The Bible as Literature." Sen. Herron wants more school districts to adopt the classes, saying "There are school systems all over the state that are afraid to offer a course about the Bible because they're afraid of being sued."

Despite claims that these courses are about "history" or "literature," though, Bible instruction is often used to conceal a sectarian (Christian) religious agenda. One supporter of the bill told WTVF news, "If people went back to the Bible, we'd have morals back in America."

This legislation does not provide the kind of oversight necessary to prevent proselytizing. It also uses tax money to create an instructional unit focusing on a religious text with roots in Judeo-Christianity, while ignoring other religions, or purely secular philosophies and writings. Critics also charge that measures like this "smuggle" fundamentalist Christianity into the public schools.

TENNESSEE LEGISLATORS NEED TO HEAR
FROM US NOW!

* Letter, e-mails, faxes and phone calls are need now to stop this unconstitutional attempt to promote religion in our public schools. Visit the web site of the Tennessee Legislature at http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/ .

* Tell lawmakers that Americans should not be compelled to subsidize religious instruction with tax money. School budgets are being slashed because of the current economic climate. Money for important areas like science instruction is being reduced.

* Despite claims made by supporters of this legislation, there are no effective controls in place to guarantee that these courses are "objective" and do not open the door to sectarian religious proselytizing. The course focuses on Judeo-Christianity while ignoring the history and literature of other faith-traditions, and alternative secular philosophies as well.

* Make your letters and E-mails brief, polite and to the point.

(AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights for Atheists, Freethinkers and other nonbelievers; works for the total separation of church and state; and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.)

Comments:

Comment from: writerdd [Member]
An elective is not forced. You don't have to exaggerate to get attention. When you do it lowers your credibility.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 10:32
Comment from: alatham [Member]
I agree with writerdd.

However, it is stupid for schools to focus on a single religion. Either teach a number of them, or let the kids learn it on their own. If the kids really care about it, they will.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 11:24
Comment from: Itchy [Member]
Damn, I was hoping for "The Koran as Literature". The Bible has a talking donkey and the Koran has a flying horse. Teach the controversy! Comparing and contrasting is a higher-ordered thinking skill.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 12:59
Comment from: Itchy [Member]
....Too much por5ography, peeping toms, rape and sexual torture in the Bible. Sick stuff. This would raise the bar to allow other female-demeaning por5ographic materials in the schools...OH MY!
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 13:05
Comment from: thx1138 [Member]
Comment from: writerdd
An elective is not forced. You don't have to exaggerate to get attention. When you do it lowers your credibility.


Yes! This is the kind of thing I have been saying for months! When we [i.e., non-theists of various stripes] sound hysterical or dogmatic then we look *just like* the opposition!

But then, calmed and reasoned doesn't sell newspapers, or blogs, I suppose.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 13:07
Comment from: Seeker ☺ [Member] · http://www.peteseeker.com/
As an elective? No problem.

Mandated? Problem.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 14:15
Comment from: Rusty Shackleford [Member]
If this law does not have a valid secular purpose, it is unconstitutional. Period.

I do not see the secular purpose.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 15:12
Comment from: alexatheist [Member]
Teach mandatory comparative religion and let kids see how silly the whole lot is.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 19:00
Comment from: sam moore jr [Member]
I think any well-read person should know the Bible if it is taught as mythology,legend,and folklore. Most of us Atheists know the Bible in order to know what we're against. The Bible,if taught in schools should be taught in high school-- the Bible is unfit for elementary and middle school children. Will the Bible be taught as myth,legend,and folklore in Tennessee? Or are they trying to sneak fundamentalist Christianity into the schools? I know I don't trust my own North Carolina to teach the Bible correctly in schools. I agree with alexatheist: teach comparative religion and let young people see how silly the whole lot is.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 22:06
Comment from: BobC [Member]
Tennessee = hick infested state
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 22:43
Comment from: BobC [Member]
"teach comparative religion and let young people see how silly the whole lot is."

There's a limited amount of classroom time. Teaching comparative religion would be a good way to waste it. It's no different from teaching comparative magic.

I went to high school in a wealthy Chicago suburb. In four years no student and no teacher ever once mentioned anything about sky fairies or religions. We were there to get an education. We were not there to learn about religious stupidity.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 22:47
Comment from: alexatheist [Member]
Bob,
I must respectfully disagree that teaching comparative religion in public school is a waste of time. Like it or not, religion has been one of the foremost forces in shaping history and as a whole Americans are woefully illiterate when it comes to religion. Compulsory religion education in the UK results in an educated populace which has the knowledge to understand the role that religion has on our world and allows students to understand faith from a intellectual view.
If this isn't taught to all students at least offer comparative religion as an elective.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 23:16
Comment from: GodFree&Glad [Member]
Quite frankly, I do not believe that the Bible can be taught as literature unless it is taught by an atheist. Otherwise, there will be a biased teacher pushing xianity whether he/she intends to or not.

Further, it's a wast of time, elective or not. We have churches on every corner. Let xians push their belief on those willing to walk through their doors, but keep it out of PUBLIC schools.
Permalink 04/27/08 @ 23:21
Comment from: kosher dilemma [Member]
I agree with Seeker
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 01:14
Comment from: quantum_flux [Member]
When will those jerks ever learn, dammit!? Religion is dumb! Biblical literature, even moreso.

QF's Blog: http://irrationaltheorist.blogspot.com/
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 01:32
Comment from: Seeker ☺ [Member] · http://www.peteseeker.com/
I agree with kosher dilemma

☺ = Grin
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 02:03
Comment from: What [Member]
From Itchy
....Too much por5ography, peeping toms, rape and sexual torture in the Bible. Sick stuff.
Yep. If a student's notebook was found with writings similar to the smut and violence found in the buybull that student would be reported to the authorities.
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 02:20
Comment from: Charlie [Member]
Teaching the bible in the classroom provides no educational value.....it provides only additional credibility that it does not deserve because it is fiction that is full of intolerance, sexism, bigotry and violence....

The Bable needs to be pushed back to churches and the privacy of ones own home...it needs to get out of our schools, police force, military and public offices....

suck it bible
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 07:51
Comment from: alexatheist [Member]
Beware the Believers.

This is amazingly funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 09:12
Comment from: jmyers8888 [Member]
Let me teach it! Those students would soon know the bible is just mythology. It's actually a great opportunity for subversion!

Jeff
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 09:30
Comment from: karen [Member]
alex

That video is hilarious! Thank you!!!!
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 11:24
Comment from: TXatheist [Member] · http://txatheist.blogspot.com
Texas is going through this right now and everyone(fundies included) has come right out and admitted the curriculum is going to be a challenge because there is next to zero teachers qualified to teach the bible objectively.

An elective is still costing tax payer money. An elective to teach how the bible is very unhistorical and unscientific should also be offered as an elective.
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 12:21
Comment from: alexatheist [Member]
Karen,
I especially loved the pimped out Dan Dennett and Eugenie Scott in her bikini. This totally takes the piss out of ignorant creationists.

"Yeah he's the Dick to the Doc to the PhD, he's smarter than you he's got a science degree! He’s the Dick to the Doc to the PhD, he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!"




he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
"
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 12:21
Comment from: phreedm [Member]
Wow...the bible used as a history book? Reminds me of Jefferson using the Bible in the Washington DC schools in 1798...

And here we have a call to arms...

What hypocrisy...

Still absolutely no mention or call to arms over the Muslim Charter school...

Ellen should have marched into that school instead of show boating in Alabama...of course, it would take some courage to challenge the Muslims...



Permalink 04/28/08 @ 17:54
Comment from: phreedm [Member]
Comment from: Charlie

Teaching the bible in the classroom provides no educational value.....it provides only additional credibility that it does not deserve because it is fiction that is full of intolerance, sexism, bigotry and violence....


Now that's funny...

I guess intolerance is a one way street, just like the "myth"...


Permalink 04/28/08 @ 17:55
Comment from: Rusty Shackleford [Member]
4-F phreedy is back... with his bizarro rants...

No facts at all...

I wonder how he feels about Expelled getting trounced at the box office...
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 20:32
Comment from: mikayla [Member]
What's wrong with teaching the Bible as literature? With so many biblical references in western culture in general, it would be a good idea.

Just so long as it is monitered to make sure it does not turn into a sunday school devotional bible study...and I imagine the danger of something like this happening is pretty high.
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 21:13
Comment from: What [Member]
What's wrong with teaching the Bible as literature?

Because it is as much a literary work as most cookbooks. Have you read that illiterate trash?
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 23:08
Comment from: Augustine [Member]
The bible is disgusting and vulgar. If people read it, they'll realize that, and expect for the few emotional m@stubators who get a kick out of torturing innocents in floods and are "persecuted" for being lying @ssholes, they'll stop believing in it. Nobody can be as heartless as god is to Job.
Permalink 04/28/08 @ 23:30

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