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Dave...it's really to bad you don't do a bit more DD before you post...

An Evangelical Manifesto" and is touted by the AP as a statement by "evangelicals" that "faith is now too political." That isn't all. The AP is claiming that it isn't just Christian leaders in general that are saying this but that it is "conservative Christian leaders" who are standing up and denouncing politics in religion. But a little investigation proves that "conservative leaders" is not a very good description of those who have signed onto this "manifesto." In fact, many of the most well-known conservative Christian leaders in the country have decided not to sign onto the "manifesto" and many more weren't even consulted or included in the creation of this highly political document that pretends it stands against politics.

Sadly, this "manifesto" that is claiming to want to take religion back from its political involvement is itself a political statement, one that was created by people that refused to include Christian leaders from the right side of the political spectrum. This so-called "manifesto" seems to be just another attempt by the political left to undermine the devotion of Christians to the political right.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/05/03/ap-conservative-christians-manifesto-has-few-conservatives-invol

Any infighting between xians is a good thing.

Multiple choice:

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why:

a. Santa Clause is coming to town
b. Jesus is coming
c. None of the above

I've seen church fights that would make a bar-room brawl look tame. I've often wondered how church people can be so mean to each other, yet out-give secularist to charity.

The answer, I suppose, is a warped sense of accountability. They won't cuss, drink or smoke — but they'll destroy one another with bickering.

But considering the activism: I know many evangelicals and nearly all have a keen sense of waging a culture war that makes me doubt there will be any reluctance to temper their activism.

Will the mythology crumble? Sorry, Dave, I gotta disagree. Michael Shermer has published some interesting research on the human psyche. It seems the proclivity to religion, UFOs and conspiracy theories is deeply embedded.

Mabus, I've deleted your comment. Go spam elsewhere.
Anyone who uses Nostradumbass as an epistemology is a nutter.

David Mabus aka Dennis Markuze, has been showing up all over the intranets, with his cut and paste craziness.

The consensus would seem to be that this actually is a case of a person with a clinical problem. One can hope that deleting his comments is best for him.

Thanks KA

It was nice of phreedm to provide that quote confirming what Dave found. How strange that he thinks his quote about conservative evangelicals dissing a pronouncement by liberal evangelicals shows that they aren't having a public disagreement.

One can hope that it works in some way to reduce the levels of crazy religiosity, but only time will tell.

Atheists in Belfast got used to being asked, "Yes, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist", when the subject came up. Even though the people asking recognized the joke, they still expected an answer.

I wonder which offends phreedm more, atheists or liberals. Some (most?) people here must be doubly offensive to him.

Seeker

The answer, I suppose, is a warped sense of accountability. They won't cuss, drink or smoke — but they'll destroy one another with bickering.

Huh? They drink, smoke, cuss, and use illicit drugs as much if not more than the general population.

But considering the activism: I know many evangelicals and nearly all have a keen sense of waging a culture war that makes me doubt there will be any reluctance to temper their activism.

Yep. They aligned themselves with BushCo and the war and economy he wrought. These people will not temper their activism and I am counting on it. They will be forced to wear the BushCo albatross about their scrawny necks and they will fade, or rather be chased from, the political table.

Will the mythology crumble? Sorry, Dave, I gotta disagree. Michael Shermer has published some interesting research on the human psyche. It seems the proclivity to religion, UFOs and conspiracy theories is deeply embedded.

It really bothers me when I here people say this sort of stuff. Ever hear of a little place called the UK or France. The mythology will crumble in our lifetimes.

What,

Gotta disagree.

Wishful thinking won't displace what nature hath bestowed. Either God created the human mind with the ability to conceive evolution or evolution produced a mind that self-soothes itself with the imagery of the supernatural.

"In our lifetimes" is less than an exact term. Suffice it to say that such predictions were made in other lifetimes that have since expired.

Only time will tell if you are right. But with the Muslim invasion, Europe -- one of the most secularized spots on the planet -- is getting a second dose of religion.

When I visited China a few years ago, I was surprised to see the city I visited with a prominent Muslim population.

Not trying to be pessimistic; just honest.

Seeker

Either God created the human mind with the ability to conceive evolution or evolution produced a mind that self-soothes itself with the imagery of the supernatural.

Nonsense. Approximately 70% of the French are nonbelievers. Clearly religious delusion is more a product of "nurture" than "nature".

Only time will tell if you are right. But with the Muslim invasion, Europe -- one of the most secularized spots on the planet -- is getting a second dose of religion.

They will assimilate and adopt religion in the same proportions as presently exist. This is what has happened with hispanics in the US. There was no significant change in religious affinity with this influx of supposed Catholics. In fact religious affinity has steady been decreasing in the USA.

Not trying to be pessimistic; just honest.

Try harder.

The cure to religion is education. It's clear that as more formal education is completed, belief in the supernatural drops off. Science teachers need to be teaching evolution correctly.

Many of these teachers are religious nutters. They realize what they do by teaching evolution improperly. They'll teach that evolution is purely random. They'll call it "only a theory" and refuse to teach what a scientific theory really is. They'll refuse to explain the difference between evolutionary theory and abiogenesis (a separate concept, but the one they actually fear). They'll claim that all we have are fossils and that there are gaps all over the place in the fossil record - ignoring completely molecular biological evidence (which is already being used to clarify the origin of species).

With all that isn't being taught, it's no wonder that children find it so easy to reject evolution on their parents'/pastor's say-so.

If we want the dream of an enlightened atheistic society to become a reality we need to separate atheist activism from politics. We need to educate the masses and teach children from an early age to think critically, before their brains are frozen into the superstitious patterns their parents have chosen for them. Once we've struck at the root of the problem, the weed that religion is will shrivel and die as it should have during the enlightenment.

They drink, smoke, cuss, and use illicit drugs as much if not more than the general population.

I tended bar for 10 years. I can't tell you how many times I heard patrons agonizing over getting up for church on Sunday morning.

I just poured them another beer. Hee Hee

"and we will continue to reap the benefits as we watch an ancient mythology crumble before our eyes"

The information age, the passing of a generation and more understandings of our surrounding will help mythology crumble....for now I just want the privilege/right to go to hell...

Seeker:

They won't cuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9jHSp2mczI
(3:10 on)

(I wish we had the ability to post hyperlinks in comments)

I think it's particularly instructive that phreakshow gets his panties in a bunch the most about someone daring to criticize any form of religious insanity. Must be the work of teh gawdless heathens, er, libruls, amongst the Good Folk.

I personally consider it to be a positive step that some of those whose faith has been exploited by the theofascists have actually noticed that that's what is going on. Thanks for pointing out something positive about religion - there's been so little of it throughout the ages...

Having a mind cleared of the delusions of heaven and a millennial kingdom, it seems puerile to stuff my brain full of nonsense images of a Utopian atheist society. It ain't gonna happen. It's as myth-magical as anything dreamed up by religionists.

How come? You ask.

Evil is not a religious trait. It's a human trait that can manifest itself through religion. Remove the myths: The rudiments of human nature remain.

BTW: Is there a stone somewhere with the ten commandments for atheists?

1 - Thou shalt be a "librul"

2 - Thou shalt be anti-theist.

3 - Thou shalt vote for O'Bama.

4 - Thou shalt create thine own silly secular myths to replace religion and keep them non-holy.

5 - Thou shalt agree with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris no matter how absurd they may be.

6 - Thou shalt deny that 1+1=2 if religionists believe 1+1=2.

7 - Thou shalt pretend that Marx, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Pol Pot were not atheists.

8 - Thou shalt declare a non-holy Yee Hahd! against religionists.

9 - Thou shalt pretend there is no redeeming value in any religious belief (including Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, East Bunny, et al).)

10 - Thou shalt insist that a moment of silence violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

Ok. So crucify me.

Seeker

Ooh. Someone put a match to your tampon today, eh? ;-)

So are you proposing a detente approach in dealing with the religious? And, no, of course there is no stone with the atheist 10 C's written on it, which is why so many of your examples don't apply to all atheists.

Ahem.

I'm a male.

Seeker

it seems puerile to stuff my brain full of nonsense images of a Utopian atheist society.

Who here used the term "utopia"? We all (atheists) have different ideas about what we would like our world to be. You keep setting up straw men. What for?

A world without religion would be a big improvement but it will not be utopia. Unlike theists we, as a group, think that utopias are myths or ill-defined. Their behavior is shaped around their vision of utopia and that behavior is ugly.

Thou sea shell be coin dummed to eat urinal clam nation!

Seeker:

Either God created the human mind with the ability to conceive evolution or evolution produced a mind that self-soothes itself with the imagery of the supernatural.

Still a bit of the old fence-sitter, ey?
It's the latter. Light-cycles (the Horary effect is a good example) the human body is geared towards.

Evil is not a religious trait. It's a human trait that can manifest itself through religion. Remove the myths: The rudiments of human nature remain.

I somewhat agree here. However, religion seems to be gasoline poured on the flames of xenophobia.

Having a mind cleared of the delusions of heaven and a millennial kingdom, it seems puerile to stuff my brain full of nonsense images of a Utopian atheist society.

I see your point. However, (I'm guessing here) simply because we complain about how things can be better, isn't an extension of the is/ought fallacy of Hume IMHO.
There's serious reform needed, to improve the world.
& religion's part of the problem, a factor in the equation.

Seeker,
You forgot the ultimate rule that atheists are expected to follow: political correctness and unlimited diversity is the new dogma which must be obeyed even when reason and evidence contradict it's benefits.

Seeker

I know you're a male. Guess I violated alex's ultimate PC rule by applying a feminine connotation to a male character. Oh, the (double) irony!

alex,

You forgot "thou shalt."

Seeker;
In regards to your "atheist commandments" list, I have to wonder whether you're really that stupid or if you just tried a new batch of crack.

Guess I violated alex's ultimate PC rule by applying a feminine connotation to a male character

Karen,
All is forgiven. Say ten "Hail Diversitys".

When politics is invoked, xians aren't the only ones plagued by infighting.

This blog has plenty of examples of that.

Seeker,

Then you really have no excuse, do you?

When rationality and reason threaten your viewpoint, perhaps it is time to close that self-contradictory excuse for a reference book and look around you.

There's a world out here waiting for you. All you have to do is stop letting your wishful thinking and self delusion get in the way.

After all, you were an atheist once and would very likely not be a Christian now if it had been, for example, a Madrasah your parents took you too for your indoctrination.

So while I was googling to see if that tantrum was original with you (seems to be), I found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1aIVlVSuU

I'm not sure that it is optimal, but it sure beats both yours and Moses' versions. Must be just a coincidence that the first thing I came across overlaps a few of the things I just said.

My condolences, too.

Then, again, maybe you're one of those wishy-washy types not satisfied with anything.

john mccain will bring christ and peace to the islamic world.out of a thousand mushroom clouds a new garden of eden will arise in the mideast.when you write obamas name backwards it give you the number of the beast 867 5309.

Rev. hagee and Rev. wright won't throw stones instead they will mud wrestle on pay per view.

reason

And unemployed america will watch the event from the comfort of their soon-to-be-foreclosed-upon homes. Get real guy. There are actual issues out there and the lack of attention paid to them is destroying our country.

Seeker

In light of your 10 commandments I have now decided to retract my recent apology to you. You are indeed a faker and an ahole.

Comment from: What

Seeker

In light of your 10 commandments I have now decided to retract my recent apology to you. You are indeed a faker

and an ahole.oly Cow...what's the date? "What" finally agrees with me...

I've been saying this about Seeker for months...

Comment from: alexatheist

Seeker,
You forgot the ultimate rule that atheists are expected to follow: political correctness and unlimited diversity is the new dogma which must be obeyed even when reason and evidence contradict it's benefits.

Political correctness is destroying our way of life...it's one of the main modern ideas that is the demise of the American educational system...

Bet Phree thinks Seek is not a true xian! Like the poop said the catlick church is the only true church. Oh the humor from the sidelines :)

Comment from: phreedm

Political correctness is destroying our way of life...it's one of the main modern ideas that is the demise of the American educational system...

Got any proof of this belief of yours? Or is this yet another unsourced, unfounded allegation that we're supposed to take on faith?

I personally think it's religiously insane idiots like you, phreakshow, and your insistence on bringing your irrational pagan occult superstitions into the political arena as if they should be enacted as the law of the land, that is destroying our way of life. It's one of the traditional superstitious holdovers from days gone by that has prevented mankind from maturing. And I believe that to be true, even though I know that I do not have sufficient prrof to state it as a fact - unlike your declarations of fact that, you know, have no factual basis in reality.

Btw - Seeker displays a traditional religious fallacy here: that an atheist would adhere to commandments. Worse yet, he thinks he has the right and the knowledge to 'define' the 'commandments' that atheists 'believe' - when atheists are primarily considered atheistic because they don't believe in anything. This comes straight from the religionistic viewpoint that, since they have to believe in their religious insanity, everyone must be believing in something.

For the record - I don't live by any of the poorly defined, completely inaccurrate 'commendments' the this religious person tries to use to build a box around atheistic thought. They are pretty amusing - if you consider that there are people out there who actually believe that they have a basis in reality.

Finally: maybe you should ask some of the religiously insane about crucifying you, if you really are into that sort of thing. That sort of concept is completely foreign to atheists. I can understand you trying to re-define atheism as another religion (especially if you are trying to make it look bad in comparison to the traditional forms of religious insanity) - but I hope you can understand why this sort of thing would be considered offensive to most who think of themselves as being atheist.

I agree with both phreedum and Tom about the source of failure of public schools: political correctness and religion are both to blame.
Dogma which is at odds with reason and evidence should have no place in education.

Seeker,

I, for one, still see no reason not to take your word at face value. I just think your bizarre ten commandments thing is seriously lacking.

If you're coming to this conclusion about atheists in general, I wonder what kind of atheists you're encountering. If you're getting this impression from blogs like this one, then I can see how your perspective might be a bit skewed.

Right now, the center of American politics is moderately economically conservative and moderately authoritarian (you are free to disagree, but I find this website to be at least somewhat trustworthy):
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

So it makes sense that the most vocal activists would be left-leaning social-libertarians. They've simply got the most to yell about. It seems to me that you may be confusing the average activist atheist with the average atheist.

I personally know more than a few atheists (10-14) and they run the gamut from one nutcase liberal (some would say she's blind, I would agree) to two solidly conservative-authoritarians. Everyone else falls somewhere in the middle. Since I'm a social liberal, economic moderate, most of my friends lean to the left of American politics. Compared to World politics, most of my atheist friends are moderates.

Granted, I'm just a personal example, so I can't make any statements about atheists in general, but I can say that I haven't experienced what you seem to have experienced.

Also, only two of your commandments apply to me (#1 and #3), and I'm not entirely certain about Obama.

Further, you said "Thou shalt pretend that Marx, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Pol Pot were not atheists." I'm having a very hard time coming up with an example of anyone saying this unless they were completely dense and simply hadn't looked up the information. I do see a lot of people claiming that their disgusting actions were helped along by various cults of personality, but I think that's a valid criticism and I don't think it amounts to claiming they were not atheists.

Can you clarify the point you were trying to make with that post? There is some room for poor interpretation, so it would be better if you could clarify and defend those statements. Some of them were plenty bold and unsubstantiated.

How can Christians be experiencing such conflict? Aren't they all working from the same clear, infallible text?

What:

And unemployed america will watch the event from the comfort of their soon-to-be-foreclosed-upon homes.

Tell me again why I should feel compassion for people who purchased more than they can afford, and are being given my tax money as handouts for being so.fucking.stupid?

Seeker,
#10 is a violation of authoritarianism. What purpose does being quiet serve?

Rusty Shackleford,

Not only that but if the christian god-idea actually existed at all, they could just bray it up and ask. As all would surely get the same answer (if any actual answer occurred) the conflict would be solved without further ado. Of course, if there were no true christian god-idea, the christian would make many varying claims concerning their particular god-idea and construct various human made instances of worship for their human pleasure.

alatham:

Further, you said "Thou shalt pretend that Marx, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung and Pol Pot were not atheists." I'm having a very hard time coming up with an example of anyone saying this...

I've never heard anyone say that.

I have heard Christians say that Hitler was an atheist (which is, of course, not true).

Ok. So crucify me.

And they did.

Spinfusor,

Agreed. At least the "Hitler was an atheist" bit is easily refuted though.

Seeker,

Now you know how Muslims felt when Salman Rushdie published "Satanic Verses" or how Christians felt when Andres Serrano display "Piss Christ."

Are the parallels between religious atheism and religious theism are enormous.

Apparently so.

I, for one, appreciate the honest evaluation of your satirical comments as refreshing and welcome your expression of free thought to atheism. There is room for (presumptive) conservatives.

But you may want to take your views elsewhere to a more tolerant forum.

Maybe you can find open-minded atheists in your community. Try meetup.com.

MXracer

Tell me again why I should feel compassion for people who purchased more than they can afford, and are being given my tax money as handouts for being so.fucking.stupid?

I don't think you should. I don't. The point of my post is that Americans are stupid stupid stupid. BushCo was elected twice! The most despised US presidency was elected twice! Our foreign policy fiasco and economic disaster was easily predicted and easily preventable. Stupid America didn't see it coming because they were wrapped up in manufactured social issues.

And now, surprise surprise, the Rev. Wright story goes on and on and stupid America buys it as a legitimate issue.

Jesus-Ernesto

Get your illegal alien butt out of my country.

What,

Obama certainly knew about Wright's racist rants and his affiliations with NOI leader Louis Farrakhan.

How can you continue to apologize for Obama? He's an embarrassment to the Democratic Party, the civil rights movement and liberals in general. He has no experience. Has no concrete policy. Speaks only in sugar-coated notations about "change."

What does he plan to change? How will he change it? Will it be a change for the better?

But you are right on one point. Americans are stupid, stupid, stupid. Particuarly the one's who support this racist bigot.

What: "Get your illegal alien butt out of my country."

First, it's not your country.

Second, it's not your blog (though you seem to think it is.)

Third, I'm a descendent of legal immigrants. I am not an illegal alien.

Fourth, you are obviously a racist bigot. No wonder you're comfortable defending Wright and Obama.

I came to this blog seeking insight and friendship with other atheists. What I find is intollent boobs like you and Phreedm.

Jesus

Your a faker just like Seeker.

Obama supporters are racist? Blind and stupid is no way to go through life son.

Your -> You're

Jesus

First, it's not your country.

The country belongs to all US citizens. So you are wrong aren't you?

Second, it's not your blog (though you seem to think it is.)

That's just stupid. I guess you are a typical American.

Third, I'm a descendent of legal immigrants. I am not an illegal alien.

So you say. After feigning atheism you than expect us to take your word on that eh?

Fourth, you are obviously a racist bigot. No wonder you're comfortable defending Wright and Obama.

Hey dufus Obama is half-black.

I came to this blog seeking insight and friendship with other atheists.

You are just another faker in a long list of fakers.

Obama is a great American that is going to win the presidency. Get over it. Some Americans are smart enough to see through your crap.

Ernesto...

Don't waste your time with "What" or "tom"...

Neither can debate facts...

Only one who wishes to rewrite history would claim we have had an economic disaster for the last 7 years...

4-F phreedy knows about economic disasters...

Like Expelled... plunging in its third week... grosses down another 51 percent... dumped from 40 percent of the screens showing it...

ID/creationism fails in the marketplace of entertainment... just like it fails in the marketplace of ideas...

Sorry Ben... better luck next time...

The Phreek thinks that the unregulation/deregulation of the banking and financial industry just started in 2006. The Phreek also thinks the Clinton gas atx suspension will accomplish the stated goals. He keeps failing the simplest economic intelligence tests yet expects others here to give credence to his blathering.

The Phreek thinks that the unregulation/deregulation of the banking and financial industry just started in 2006. The Phreek also thinks the Clinton gas atx suspension will accomplish the stated goals. He keeps failing the simplest economic intelligence tests yet expects others here to give credence to his blathering.

Who cares what a narrow-minded idiota
thinks?

phreedm,

Don't waste your time with "What" or "tom"...

Neither can debate facts...

Only one who wishes to rewrite history would claim we have had an economic disaster for the last 7 years...

Sorry. I get annoyed easily.

I've been following this blog for some time and it seems What has nothing positive to contribute.

Also, what's your beef with Seeker? Seems he's an atheist who defends religious people. What's wrong with that?

Rusty

Like Expelled... plunging in its third week... grosses down another 51 percent... dumped from 40 percent of the screens showing it...

Iron Man is more reality-based than Expelled.

What,

Iron Man was awesome. And I bet that the producers were competent enough to pay for the use of the songs in the film (including, of course, "Iron Man"), unlike the producers of a certain creationism propaganda movie.

what
of course i know serious issues are affecting the nation but it is foolish to think any of the candidates can save the nation.is obama evil no but he is a politican like the rest don't be fooled by any of them.i guess you will have to count me as part of that stupid pop.because i don't think we should read the constitution in a broad way.you want big gov't fine you can have it at your state and local level.

Comment from: Jesus-Ernesto

Also, what's your beef with Seeker? Seems he's an atheist who defends religious people. What's wrong with that?

Simple...he's a fraud. Pretending to be someone he isn't.

He and Augustine are birds of a feather...

Reason

of course i know serious issues are affecting the nation but it is foolish to think any of the candidates can save the nation.

The state of the union has been better in the past. It is not unreasonable to think it can be better in the future.

Blaming the candidates alone is juvenile. You are a member of this society with a voice. Use it or be prepared to accept a lot of the blame yourself.

Simple...he's a fraud. Pretending to be someone he isn't.

What am I pretending to be?

Have you seen my web site?

I'm accused of pretending to be someone I'm not by someone I have never met?

I'm not sure who I plan to vote for, but it will not be Mccain. And Hilary's service to the nation (think of the importance of stud farms) is complete nonsense. Does anyone know any good third party canidates? Its between them and Obama.

Wasn't Jesus-Ernesto the one that was advocating for a Mexican take-over of California a few weeks back? If not I owe him an apology for my earlier comments.

JE

He has no experience.

As I have pointed out before, Obama has as much experience as did Lincoln.

Comment from: phreedm

Ernesto...

Don't waste your time with "What" or "tom"...

Neither can debate facts...

...says the mental midget who runs away like a bedwetting coward anytime someone asksk him to back up his religious insanity with factual information.

Any time you want to try and present some facts, so that we can debate them, just let me know, you religious phreak. I seem to recall that you still haven't proven any of your wild ass pagan bullshit, and have run away from the discussion each and every time someone has asked you to back up your bullshit. No need to read between those lines, phreakshow...

And I would add that the only reason anyone wastes any time dealing with phreakishly idiotic kimchee here is to point out how phreaking stupid it is. No one listens to any of his 'advice' here that I've seen. Over two years of spewing his religious idiocy here, and refusing to accept that his religious insanity is not welcome in this forum, and he still thinks that he has the right to demand that others dance to his tune.

Only one who wishes to rewrite history would claim we have had an economic disaster for the last 7 years...

Hmmmm... Warren Buffet, the world's richest man, says there's a recession on. And that the Putsch sadministration is responsible for the economic disaster we're currently going through...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24353109/

and even he admits that it's not an economic disaster to the richest 1% (Putsch's base) - just for everyone else. Maybe that's why Bubble Boy thinks everything is hunky-dory these days. And why phreakshow can take WPE's dick out of his mouth long enough to catapult that piece of Republican't propaganda.

Now - who would you believe? A religiously insane theofascist who supports the Worst President Ever? Or the world's richest man, who has been right about this sort of thing since before phreakshow was brainwashed by his superstitious cult? What a tough one to figure out...

What,

Wasn't Jesus-Ernesto the one that was advocating for a Mexican take-over of California a few weeks back? If not I owe him an apology for my earlier comments.

You owe Jesus-Ernesto and apology then. The guy you're talking about was Horus, he was claiming that we're all a bunch of communists.

My apologies, I got my names mixed up as well.

Horus was the possible atheist who was sad to see Mitt Romney leave the race and who claimed to be a member of that group that was "attacking" Scientology.

Salvador was the raving nutcase Mexican-takeover guy who claimed all atheists are communists.

what:

As I have pointed out before, Obama has as much experience as did Lincoln.

Lincoln shouldn't have been elected.

Wasn't Jesus-Ernesto the one that was advocating for a Mexican take-over of California a few weeks back? If not I owe him an apology for my earlier comments.

What,

No apology will be accepted until you also apologize to Seeker and all the others you continuously flame.

I, for one, appreciate the free flow of thoughts and opinions, particularly those different from mind. Jackasses like you add nothing to the discussion but only serve to discourage free thought.

Jesus-Ernesto

It was my mistake and I offered you my sincere apology. You either accept it graciously or you don't. You will not be dictating terms of a broader and undeserved apology.

I doubt your sincerity.

You owe others -- all others -- apolgoies for your boorish behavior.

Jesus_Ernesto

So are you accepting my apology or not?

Jesus,Ernesto,just take the damn apology.


(Sorry,couldn't resist.)

Seeker

Wishful thinking won't displace what nature hath bestowed. Either God created the human mind with the ability to conceive evolution or evolution produced a mind that self-soothes itself with the imagery of the supernatural.

That's one heap of a lot of projecting your doing there. You were duped for fifty years and so you think the rest of the world is as gullible.