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Unfortunately, you have to drop the G-bomb a few times during a speech to gain credibility as a "fine, upstanding, moral American."

Obama has flirted with the religious in his speeches, which I'm not entirely happy about. But McSame is like the cheap whore in the bathroom. No shame, no hiding, no mistake about it. He wears his beliefs on his sleeve and revels in sharing his "faith."

There is a difference between playing the game and running the game. Maybe one day we can have an election where lip service to an invisible man isn't required.

GodlessMorality,

Maybe one day we can have an election where lip service to an invisible man isn't required.

How dare you call God a man! I realize she has a bit of a moustache, due to lower estrogen levels, because of her advanced age and all, but sheesh! Have some respect, will ya'? /sarcasm

Obama used the g word twice. That's it. It was in a parting perfunctory salutation. Here it is.

Thank you, God Bless you, and God Bless the United States of America.

McCain went with seven g words.

I like to call it:

Pimping for Jesus.

Since it has the added funny of related Christianity with Prostitution.

GodlessM

Well said. The sad fact is, real or pretend, any presidential candidate has to present an image of being a devout Christian if he has any hopes of winning an election.
And the truth is years ago, I had some amount of respect for McBush. He really was in some respects a centrist. He once made the statement that far right evangelists like Jerry Falwell were "the voice of intolerance". But, when he decided to make a run at the presidency, he appears on Falwell's show and speaks to his congregation in a robe that made him look like the pope. At that moment we got a divorce, thank (g bomb) we didn't have children.

You remove Hussein, kill him, and give the people a vote, who do they elect? Religious leaders. What do you think? Maybe that democracy doesn't work?

NeoWolfe

Neowolfe

I think that McCain was never really a centrist. He lurched toward the center following the S and L scandal (late 80s/early 90s) and his role in it as one of the Keating Five. He did so as an attempt to save his political carrier.

What,

You may be right. One way or another he has betrayed any trust I had in him in trade for the vote of the far ultra right religious voting bloc. But, I live in a red state, and my vote doesn't mean shit.


NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe

and my vote doesn't mean shit.

If you have the time and means you could work in a battleground state for Obama.

Religion is mental illness. It is in varying degrees. Some are uninfected, some mildly infected, and others...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417883,00.html

There are many in this country that are infected and these canidates are playing up to them. McCain is playing up to the sickest of them.

I am still looking for a answer to my question:
Tell me what will happen to the US leadership if the rapture happens within the nexxt 4 years?
Since McCain's gone born again Southern Baptist, and Palins a raving fundie, who will be left to run the government when those two fly up to heaven?
Are there any contingency plans drawn up?

So it's ok to use God's name twice, but using it seven times is considered pandering and over the top...

Such hypocrisy...

I told you, you'd all do mental gymnastics to find a way to vote for NObama...

I'm still waiting for Dave or AA to file a law suite against the Dems for their closing prayer...of course they never will...

Say, "What...do I know"...

Now I know why you're as hysterical as a 9 year old little girl who just lost out on getting tickets to see the Jonas Brothers...

Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain

http://tinyurl.com/5b7hvn

I told you, you'd all do mental gymnastics to find a way to vote for NObama...

All of us, phreddy? I think Atomic Testing would be surprised to hear about that. My that's a broad brush you paint with.

I'll vote for Obama in spite of his religious opinions, not because of them.

However, I do think, based on his various comments on the subject, that he is more likely than McCain to recognize and respect the difference between personal belief and public policy. And he'll be less likely to pander to the Religious Right because, unlike the Republican candidates, his political fortunes don't depend on them.

That's a distinction with a difference.

Whenever McCain says the word God, it means smaller government and less taxes. Whenever Obama says the word God, it means bigger government and more taxes.

Similarly, whenever Obama says "God" and "Change" in the same sentence, it means more taxes and more government funded handout programs.

The "Social-ist change" and "foriegn diplomatic agreements" that Obama is always talking about is not nearly as good as the "God-given Free Market Trade" and the "national security to protect our national assets" that McCain is always talking about.

Don't be fooled, the reason you are an American Atheist is to drive the distinction between politics and religion and to secularize the political arena, it is not to demonize the candidates who make references to God. Going that route, however, you'd be demonizing every good American President in history who has made reference to God to motivate people. I still say to vote based on the policies that they actually have control over such as on government spending (take less risks at the federal level and leave the risk taking to the market), taxes (a huge don't do for governments), and on national interests (don't defect to China and Russia on foriegn affairs).

Another thing that pisses me off is the notion of government funded abortions for folks on welfare or the notion of a government funded Nationalized Healthcare program where American tax dollars are paying for the injuries of illegal immigrants in addition to all of the hypochondriacs who would visit the doctors repeatedly on everybody else's dime due to their hypochondria.

quantum

Don't be fooled

Be fooled? It's hard to make any sense at all of your posts.

The rethuglicans have made a mess out of foreign and domestic policy by devoting our resources to fighting islamofacists bogeyman and unregulating financial institutions to pave way for the biggest financial ponzi scheme in our nations history.

Be fooled? Don't BE a fool.

Quantum

You know even less about the US health care imperative than AtomicTestes.

Free Nationalized Healthcare, Free Abortions, Free Medicine.... nothing is free (what), you hippy.

Islamics have a doctrine that is even worse than communism or christianity. They have a doctrine that says "Death to the Infidels".

Anybody who wants to attack freedom (and subscribers to the Islamic Dogma certainly hate Free Trade enough to repetatively attack the World Trade Center) is a threat to our national security. Look, Osama Bin Laden is still alive and well today because he is such an Islamic Hero. That Islamic Obama aims to keep Osama alive, and he aims to keep Islam alive. Furthermore, Obama wants to see democracy fail in the Middle East, which is also what Putin wants.

Quantum

Are you doing a parody?

No, this is a legitimate concenr (what).

Social-Security.... a blunder in Cuba too!?

http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/2008/0901leyseguridadsocial.htm

In order for Social Security to work, the birth rate has to equal the death rate. If people are living longer and having less births, then the social security tax either needs to be raised on the workers or the retirement age needs to be raised.

Hmmm, I’ll have to think about the diffy equations for the other non-steady state scenarios, however, suffice it to say that there are other factors involved with a higher birthrate scenario having to do with rations and using up resources, and then being limited by expansion on the Cuban Island. A higher birthrate might, possibly, cause competition and destroy Communism…. geeze, there are a lot of aspects to this differential equation that the Commies never thought of that are of importance in the gameplan of the “No Free Lunch” McCain campaign…. I think Communism might actually be an ideological spin off of that perpetual motion ecconomics ideal or ponzi scheme of Christianity (mostly stated in the book of Acts).

quantum_flux,

That Islamic Obama aims to keep Osama alive, and he aims to keep Islam alive.

While I would never deny someone's right to their opinion, I must say that this one is quite slanderous.

If I recall correctly, Obama said he would pull all our troops out of Iraq, not only because they never should have been there in the first place, but so we can free up more soldiers to go to Afghanistan, where the war against those that attacked us is actually being waged. He was also given grief for suggesting we go into Pakistan, if necessarry, to kill or capture UBL, which is exactly what the Bush Junta did just last week.

US confirms raid inside Pakistan

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/ap_pakistan_raid_090308/

Seriously man, lay off the crack.

Dammit, we need oil, both foriegn and domestic. Going to Iraq was a smooth move, McCain will finish that move and America will gain an economic asset instead of letting it fall into the hands of the Russians who would use that to further strangle money out of Europe in exchange for allowing for Islamic expansion into Europe. I'm thinking 2 moves ahead of you grasshopper!

quantum_flux,

Going to Iraq was a smooth move

So what you're saying is: We went to war in Iraq to secure future oil rights? Oh yeah, THAT's legal. We need oil, so we'll just take it. What's a few hundred thousand sand-nigger' lives, when our economy is at stake?

I'm thinking 2 moves ahead of you grasshopper!

Mommy, make the bad man stop!

Hey, it's not all about oil. Oil is just a benefit of securing democracy in the Middle East. Hey, it's better than them producing opium (if you disagree, then maybe you should try opium).

Quantum

The problem with doing a parody is that one usually requires an once of truth to make them funny.

Go back to posting about your porn obsession. Is wasn't funny either but there was probably an once of truth there.

Shut up What, you hippy.

Here is a porn idea for you though, if you are interested:

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Flag-thong_20Football#1188504687

Quantum-flux,

Hey, it's not all about oil. Oil is just a benefit of securing democracy in the Middle East. Hey, it's better than them producing opium (if you disagree, then maybe you should try opium).

Boy have you got your 'lions' crossed.

They are not growing Papaver Somniferum (Opium Poppies) in Iraq, that is what is going on in Afghanistan. You remember Afghanistan, don't you? That's where the sons 'o' bitches that attacked us were/are receiving refuge.

There was almost no Opium being produced under the Taliban, because they used to kill people over drugs. Now that coalition forces are there, they are no longer even bothering the Opium farmers, because they don't want to further alienate the locals, when they are trying to win the hearts and minds of the people. Opium production has increased a hundred fold, or more, since we arrived there.

NATO to Legalize Afghanistan's Opium?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,473933,00.html

And one more thing. How is our spreading democracy any different than the former Soviet Union spreading communism? Democracy stems FROM THE PEOPLE, not from the barrel of a gun.

Q: What happens when you bring democracy to a country that hates us? A: The people elect a government that hates us.

The Gaza Bombshell

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

http://tinyurl.com/yvlntu

They are not growing Papaver Somniferum (Opium Poppies) in Iraq, that is what is going on in Afghanistan

How would you know that!? Clearly you don't!

And one more thing. How is our spreading democracy any different than the former Soviet Union spreading communism?

Oh, I think any rational human being knows the difference.

What happens when you bring democracy to a country that hates us?

They begin to like us!

quantum-flux,

How would you know that!? Clearly you don't!

I stand corrected. It would appear that Iraqis are beginning to grow them due to the vacum of authority that was brought about by the U.S. invasion. Just like in Afghanistan! It would also appear that they are growing them for the same reason Afghanistan is: To finance their insurgentcy.

The British daily said that though the cultivation of opium poppies is still in its early stages there is little the government can do amid the uncontrolled chaos miring the little-noticed south.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=45210

They begin to like us!

How would you know that!? Clearly you don't!

Iraqis want troops to leave
Poll finds most feel U.S. presence provokes violence

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/286710_iraqpoll28.html

Your ball.

Anytime there is anarchy, there is a violent struggle for power. When power is reinstated, violence goes down but not all the way down. There will be anti-democratic factions in Iraq, and we will leave when they mostly are contained to the point that the new Iraqi government can take care of their own. Law enforcement and even a legal system requires much training by us, but in the end it will result in better relations between the US and Iraq. Clearly Iraq is not building weapons of mass destruction in an attempt to take out Washington DC anymore, so that is some real progress being made.

Has anyone posted this video yet? It's of another POW who went to the Naval Academy with McCain and was a POW at the same time, and has some pretty sobering thoughts on the subject of MCCain as prez.

http://therealmccain.com/butler/

Clearly Iraq is not building weapons of mass destruction in an attempt to take out Washington DC anymore, so that is some real progress being made.

From all the reports I have read, Iraq did not have a WMD program since shortly after the first Gulf War, in '91. The reason he played cat and mouse games with Hans Blix and his inspectors, was because he was more afraid of Iran, than he was of America.

Now, if Iran gets and atomic bomb, it will be just that. An ATOMIC bomb. Atomic bombs are fission bombs with relativly low yields. In the 15 to 20 kilo-ton range.

Contrast that to a single Ohio class Submarine, with 24 Trident II missles. Each missle has the potential to carry ten MRV's. Each MRV is 100 kilo-ton HYDROGEN bomb. That is to say; fusion bombs.

Fusion bombs use fission bombs as detonators. They have the potential to be in the Mega-ton range. Another way of putting it is: A single Ohio Class Submarine has more firepower than all the bombs dropped, by all sides, in all wars, since the beginning of human history. We currently have 14 "Boomers" and together, they carry roughly half of the total U.S. Nuclear arsenal.

Now, if Iran is really so stupid to detonate an atomic bomb, anywhere outside their own borders, OR, they give them to terrorists to do the same, then Iran will become the worlds largest glass parking lot, overnight.

Now I ask you: What realistic threat does a nuclear Iran really pose? The Soviets had Atomic and Hydrogen bombs, and we never went to war with them. (hot war) Same goes for the Chinese. We didn't invade India or Pakistan when they detonated atomic weapons, several years back. Why should Iran be any different?

Ahmadenijad does not rule Iran, the Mullahs do. Ahmadenijad is nothing more than a figure-head. He can threaten Israel all he wants, but unlike our warmonger president, he cannot start a war.

Follow up questions: What was the last country that Iran attacked? Iraq? Nope! Iraq started that war at the behest of the Reagan administration. Prior to that, when was the last time Iran went to war with anyone? When they were still Persia? How many times has America been to war in the past century? Well let's count, shall we?

WWI
WWII
Korea
Viet Nam
Grenada
Panama
Iraq
Somalia
Kosovo
Afghanistan
Iraq

Did I forget anything? Who exactly is it that is a warlike nation, and who exactly has had a rather peaceful existence in the past century?

Before you start in on the Iranian Hostage crisis, I would like to remind you that it was a direct result of our CIA overthrowing Muhammed Mosadiq in 1953, and installing Muhammed Rizza Shah, and then supporting the dictatorship for the next 25 yrs.

I'm willing to bet you would be pretty pissed off as well, if some country came to America and toppled our government and installed a puppet regime. I know I would!

There is a difference between some country coming to America and toppling our democratic republic and America toppling some other country's dictatorship. The difference is that the first scenario is an attack on democracy and the second is an attack on what amounts to fascizm. Iraq is working toward the people's power to vote, the means to free speech, a free press, and free trade whereas before people's voices before were just being silenced. If Iraq needs defense from Iran, it has plenty of support from NATO.

http://www.nato.int/issues/iraq-assistance/index.html

There is a difference between some country coming to America and toppling our democratic republic and America toppling some other country's dictatorship.

Although that hostage-taking was brutal and unjustified, many Americans lack a more global perspective of the history of American interactions with Persia. One of the most critical events in that relationship occurred over 50 years ago during the Eisenhower Administration. While Americans may know little about Operation Ajax, its memory STILL EVOKES INTENSE ANGER FROM NEARLY EVERY IRANIAN.

With Mossadeq leading the charge against Iran’s economic master, the Majlis, on March 15, boldly nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company…On April 29, the same Majlis ELECTED MUHAMMED MOSSADEQ PRIME MINISTER. While the shah sat on the throne as a mere shadow, Muhammad Mossadeq basked in the acclaim of the vast majority of Iranians, who for the first time in decades gave their genuine respect, devotion, and loyalty to their recognized leader.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/latulippe/latulippe41.html

Did you catch that? Let me highlight it to make sure you understand.

Muhammad Mossadeq basked in the acclaim of the vast majority of Iranians, who for the first time in decades gave their genuine respect, devotion, and loyalty to their recognized leader.

That hardly sounds like a dictatorship to me. TEll me again how it is okay for America to topple other countries governments, but when they fight back, they are terrorists. If you will read the article in full, you will see it was all about oil back then, as well.

Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it.

Saddam Hussein = Ex Iraq Dictator

Also from the article, just in case you are too lazy to read the whole thing.

In essence, the United States had engaged in a massive covert operation designed to remove a democratically elected leader from power and reinstall an authoritarian monarch (a move which makes a mockery of our currently stated desire to "spread democracy" in the Middle East).

I rest my case. Your witness!

Muhammed Mossadeq = Ex democratically elected leader of Iran, that was toppled by our CIA, because of oil.

None of the presidents that I've helped elect in my life can be held responsible for what happened in Iraq in 1950 or in 1970. Shit happens and Iran needs to get over it.

.... same with Iran. Albeit, the Republican Party is in the business of spreading democracy in the Middle East

Shit happens and Iran needs to get over it.

That's it. We're Americans and we can do anything we damn well please, and everybody else just needs to get used to it, or we'll kick their asses.

Attitudes like that is exactly what is wrong with this country. You're no better than Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol-Pot.

same with Iran. Albeit, the Republican Party is in the business of spreading democracy in the Middle East

That's right, I forgot. Eisenhower was a flaming, liberal Democrat.

You still don't seem to get it, so let's try again.

If Mossadeq’s regime had been permitted to continue, it is entirely possible that Iran could have evolved into an authentic democracy. American interventionism destroyed that opportunity and set the stage for many of the tragedies currently haunting the Middle East.

If America is ever to have even remotely cordial relations with Iran, we must accept responsibility for the terrible effects of Operation Ajax and admit that we had no right to intervene in a controversy that was wholly the business of the Iranian people. That exploit was unworthy of the Land of Washington and Jefferson.

Attitudes like that is exactly what is wrong with this country. You're no better than Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Pol-Pot.

I am too better than Saddam Hussein and those other guys! Shit does happen though, and Iran does need to get over it! As for me, I'm not taking responsibility for a bad move made by the CIA in the 1970's just like I'm not taking responsibility for Slavery or the Holocaust. I didn't do any of those things! Shit happens, and the African Americans need to get over slavery and segregation, and the Jews need to get over the Holocaust. Dwelling in the past is not what atheists do, instead they live in the present and plan for the future.

What can we do now, 2008, to bring democracy and stability to the Middle East?

My answer is to secure democracy in Iraq so that our money being spent on Oil over there won't be used against us.

How can we begin to repair our economy here at home?

My answer is (1) get rid of unions, (2) drill for oil domestically to keep money in the USA, (3) cut taxes, (4) cut spending on federal programs

By the way, dwelling in the past is what religious people have a fehtish with. So many Christians are still crying over a fictitious crucifiction that never took place 2000 years ago. So many Jews are still crying over the Pharoah's enslavement of them 3250 years ago or so, and that may never have happened either but is just legend. The Muslims are crying over whatever it is they are crying over. The point is that atheists live in the present and plan for the future which is one thing that makes us pragmatically better than everybody else.

QuantumFuck

So you are OK with the US killing 100s of thousands of Iraqis and displacing millions from their homes. There are some very tough economic times coming for us in this country. Nobody, not even us top 2 percenters, will be immune to the fallout of the BushCo initiated housing ponzi scheme. So when you come crying here about not being able to find a job or losing your home do you know what you are going to here from me - shit happens ahole, get over it.

Fine, I'm prepared for that shit!

What an altruistic hippy!

drill for oil domestically to keep money in the USA,

The United States uses 12 million barrels of oil a day. A number that will only continue to rise, unless we get off the black crack. Saudi Arabia only produces 9 million barrels of oil a day, and they are estimated to be at near capacity.

In order to drill our way out of sending our money to people that (rightfully) hate us, we would have to discover oil deposits larger than that of the Saudis. I hate to say it, but it ain't gonna happen.

As far as people getting over shit, how many Americans still bitch and moan about the Iranian Hostage Crisis, as though we had nothing to do with the reasons it happened?

If someone came into your home while you were gone, and raped your wife, murdered your children and stole all your things, I'm guessing you would say, "Well, no need to get mad, it happened in the past." Am I right? I seriously doubt it. What a double standard you hold!

The point is that atheists live in the present and plan for the future which is one thing that makes us pragmatically better than everybody else.

I think you need to get over yourself.

Better to be an altruistic hippy, than a conquering empire enabler.

Hi, my name is quantum-flux and I'm going to shoot you in the face because you have something I want. Get over it!

What a douchebag!

I'm sorry. That was an insult to douchebags everywhere. What a Rethuglican!

I am too better than Saddam Hussein and those other guys!

...quantum_flux cries, as he jumps up and down, flailing his arms, while pouting.

flux must be out of work, just like the rest of us victims of the Bush economy. At one point he had four posts in a row, he's gotta be bored.

I think we all know he's right, that the Dems tend move toward entitlement programs which immediately are attacked by those seeking a free ride through life, which spend as much money on investigators and case workers as they do on benefits, trying to plug the holes. Situations like single mothers deliberately getting pregnant over and over in order to increase their benefits. This really damaged the black community especially since welfare would provide the home, only if the father was not there. A generation raised without their fathers.

But when he talks about oil, he speaks from his ignorance. The cost of extracting a barrel of oil from a shallow land well is about $12, even ammortizing the cost of locating and drilling. The cost of an offshore barrel of oil is about $60. But, when the thousands of oil wells in the United States, but when that oil goes to the refinery, is turned into gasoline, the price at the pump reflects what that barrel of oil is worth on the global market. That's why the oil companies are raking in staggering profits. You can drill all you want, but, the US does not have the resources or infrastruction to cause a glut in the global oil supply which would be necessary to force down the price of oil on the global market, period. McBush is talking out his ass. The only Republican making any sense is T. Boone Pickens.

The Republicans think that making the rich even richer will fix the economy. They claim fiscal responsibility in face of a debt will haunt our great grandchildren even if we turn it around now. They would also like to stage by stage force social conservatism upon us and make it the law of the land.

We all wish there was a candidate who was fiscally conservative, without being beholden to huge business, and socially liberal. No such candidate exists in this election. I think the obvious choice by wide margin is Obama. As much as McBush wants to seperate himself from his mentor, he brings nothing new to the table.

Did you guys see the Daily Show on Friday? The did a video montage of old and new clips of McBush, doing total turnabouts of Pro Choice, Ultra Right Evangelicals, and a dozen more issues. It was not only histerical, but, make a clear statement that the maverik is now a pandering piece of shit on Carl Rove's leash.

NeoWolfe

Quantum

Fine, I'm prepared for that shit!

Really? Explain how you are prepared.

NeoWolfe,

At one point he had four posts in a row, he's gotta be bored.

That's funny. Right above your post, I have four posts in a row. LOL But then, I am out of work, and now that my son is in school, I am in fact bored.

I was going to ask if Q_F was on Meth, since he posted @ 22:45,03:24
and again @ 05:19. Maybe he's on the night shift?

Admittedly, I was up a little after 04:00 this morning, but then again, I was in bed before 21:00 CST, last night.

What,

I got to thinking after I said I wasn't sure you were married or had children, and I remembered you have mentioned your wife is a physician on a number of occasions. Don't know if you have ever mentioned your children before, but I should have remembered that you at least had a wife. Sorry 'bout that! All my best to you and your family.

(Possibly) due to my meds, my short term memory is garbage.

NeoWolfe

Saw the Daily Show clip. It should be a Obama/Biden campaign commercial.

Ren

Yes my wifes an Ob/Gyn doc. Two kids. Boy 5 and girl 8. Love's of my life.

How old are your kids?

What,

My daughter is almost 9 and my son just turned 11 over the summer. I never planned on having children, but now that I do, they are what I live for.

ren,
The four in a row was about flux, not you. We may disagree, but you are still in my relevent column, for whatever that might be worth. Don't go missing sleep because you're bored or feeling impotent over your situation. Clear heads prevail.

NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe,

I wasn't too worried about the comment, I knew who that shotgun blast was aimed at, it was just 'danger close' to my position:-)

We may disagree, but you are still in my relevent column, for whatever that might be worth.

A little affirmation never hurt anyone, but don't be too kind or I might get a big head.

Finally, thanks for the kind words. I don't think I am losing sleep over my worries, though I am under stress,(does it show?) it's just that I usually hit the hay early enough that by 0500 hrs, I have had plenty of sleep.

I will have to admit that a little after 0400 this morning WAS a bit early, even for me, but I much prefer this to previously, when I was either sleepy all the time, or couldn't eat or sleep for days, due the the various med's.

This way, I get to get up and drink my coffee and get my grumpiness out, so I can wake my son up for school with a smile instead of barking at him.

Ren,

I don't know your situation, but I can tell you, the meds that keep you awake will have you paranoid and hearing voices in no time. And for a person who has come to trust his intuition, those feelings will easily be taken as real and make an ass out of you in front of everybody in short order.

Get your sleep. It's important.

NeoWolfe

NeoWolfe,

...and make an ass out of you in front of everybody in short order.

Been there done that. More than once, I am sure. I am getting plenty of sleep, and have been since I have been on my latest med's for about the past year. I still get a little manic because of stress, but I am doing much better than I was.

If you want to contact me off-line, I will explain to you in greater detail about my situation. We don't have to be pen pals, and if you never write me again, I will not be offended. It's just that I have told the story enough times on this board that I am sure everybody is sick of hearing about it. I know I am sick of (feeling like) I have to explain myself.

Anyhow, you can contact me at tra7676@alltel.net for the straight poop. As I have stated before, I am not ashamed of the cards I have been dealt, I just have to play them. What you decide to do with that information is up to you.

Thanks for your concern.